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djday45 · 07-26-2008, 04:09 AM

Burns is very, very underated with modern fans, this is in no small part to his losing effort to Johnson being to put it mildly falsely reported at the time for being so one sided.

He in fact was a remarkable fighter who managed to use his small size to his advantage against other heavyweights until he ran into simply maybe the greatest heavy of all time.

This does not take away the fact that he was an excellent heavyweight champion and would have given many of the others a real life and death struggle.

STANCE - Left Handed - Once again im going to make him a lefty when he wasant historically, this time to model the fact he was supposedly a real master of mind games, often giving himself a huge advantage going into the ring as he had already played with his opponents psyche. He did this most famously against both Hart and O'Brien.

STYLE - Slugger - im changing his style from either to slugger as he rarely boxed but instead often used his brusing inside style to counter punch from a very short distance and its really not the same thing at all. He was a counter punching inside man and a pretty tough bruiser on occasion but done with speed and skill.

FOULS - Often - Changing this to often as he was known to apply many tricks not all legal to his inside battling. So much so that O'Brien in their last fight tried to get an agreeement he would stop all such tactics.

FIGHTING INSIDE - 3 - a no brainer to increase this to three as it was his favourite tactic by far.

FIGHTING OUTSIDE - 1 - Again he could box and at middle did it more often, he jsut found at heavy due to his size disadvantages it was much better for him to be on the inside.

CLINCHING - 72 - this increased to reflect his inside work.

CONDITIONING - 1 - why the hell he is down as being a 7 (inactive) god only knows. He was known at the time for being maybe one of the most active globe trotting champions ever in fact maybe the first true WORLD heavyweight champion. He was aleays in top shape, what were they thinking here?

INTELLECT - 8 - given him a big boost here as he was known as a very clever fighter especially against bigger men where he turned his apparently smaller size problems to his advantage.

CONTROL VS BOXER - 12 - he actually did better against boxers than agaisnt sluggers as is usual in boxing with inside brawlers as the boxer has less room to operate effectively, He lost against Johnson of course but that was more about skill levels and physical attributes than styles and of course Johnson was even able to out match him on the inside.

CONTROL VS SLUGGER - 11 - see above.

CHIN VS KNOCKDOWN - 2 - Burns was very rarely dropped and even then it was mostly after the Johnson fight. He had an excellent chin.

CHIN VS KNOCKOUT - 1 - again only stopped after he was a shell of himself and remember the polive stopped the Johnson fight. Burns was not ko'd and was still on his feet.

ENDURANCE - 9 - His stamina was excellent and he won many bouts either over 20 rounds or with late stoppages, was always in great nick.

HITTING POWER - 8 - Had a stinging hurtful punch and carried this up to heavy where he stopped many of his opponents, not a true knockout puncher he still managed to leave the majority of his heavyweight opponents on the canvas despite being the much smaller man.

COUNTERPUNCHING - 42 - An excellent, fast, counterer, Burns zipped in and out of range on the inside, quickly countering his bigger opponents ponderous blows with his hurtful, stinging punches.

OVERALL RATING - 11 - a big jump i know from the official version but after much research on the excellent fellow, I feel this is Burns much more how he truly was and puts Johnsons achievement against him in the correct context.

07-26-2008, 04:09 AM	#34
djday45 All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,502	Tommy Burns Burns is very, very underated with modern fans, this is in no small part to his losing effort to Johnson being to put it mildly falsely reported at the time for being so one sided. He in fact was a remarkable fighter who managed to use his small size to his advantage against other heavyweights until he ran into simply maybe the greatest heavy of all time. This does not take away the fact that he was an excellent heavyweight champion and would have given many of the others a real life and death struggle. STANCE - Left Handed - Once again im going to make him a lefty when he wasant historically, this time to model the fact he was supposedly a real master of mind games, often giving himself a huge advantage going into the ring as he had already played with his opponents psyche. He did this most famously against both Hart and O'Brien. STYLE - Slugger - im changing his style from either to slugger as he rarely boxed but instead often used his brusing inside style to counter punch from a very short distance and its really not the same thing at all. He was a counter punching inside man and a pretty tough bruiser on occasion but done with speed and skill. FOULS - Often - Changing this to often as he was known to apply many tricks not all legal to his inside battling. So much so that O'Brien in their last fight tried to get an agreeement he would stop all such tactics. FIGHTING INSIDE - 3 - a no brainer to increase this to three as it was his favourite tactic by far. FIGHTING OUTSIDE - 1 - Again he could box and at middle did it more often, he jsut found at heavy due to his size disadvantages it was much better for him to be on the inside. CLINCHING - 72 - this increased to reflect his inside work. CONDITIONING - 1 - why the hell he is down as being a 7 (inactive) god only knows. He was known at the time for being maybe one of the most active globe trotting champions ever in fact maybe the first true WORLD heavyweight champion. He was aleays in top shape, what were they thinking here? INTELLECT - 8 - given him a big boost here as he was known as a very clever fighter especially against bigger men where he turned his apparently smaller size problems to his advantage. CONTROL VS BOXER - 12 - he actually did better against boxers than agaisnt sluggers as is usual in boxing with inside brawlers as the boxer has less room to operate effectively, He lost against Johnson of course but that was more about skill levels and physical attributes than styles and of course Johnson was even able to out match him on the inside. CONTROL VS SLUGGER - 11 - see above. CHIN VS KNOCKDOWN - 2 - Burns was very rarely dropped and even then it was mostly after the Johnson fight. He had an excellent chin. CHIN VS KNOCKOUT - 1 - again only stopped after he was a shell of himself and remember the polive stopped the Johnson fight. Burns was not ko'd and was still on his feet. ENDURANCE - 9 - His stamina was excellent and he won many bouts either over 20 rounds or with late stoppages, was always in great nick. HITTING POWER - 8 - Had a stinging hurtful punch and carried this up to heavy where he stopped many of his opponents, not a true knockout puncher he still managed to leave the majority of his heavyweight opponents on the canvas despite being the much smaller man. COUNTERPUNCHING - 42 - An excellent, fast, counterer, Burns zipped in and out of range on the inside, quickly countering his bigger opponents ponderous blows with his hurtful, stinging punches. OVERALL RATING - 11 - a big jump i know from the official version but after much research on the excellent fellow, I feel this is Burns much more how he truly was and puts Johnsons achievement against him in the correct context.