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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr
Which proves the point I was making. Normalcy does not change it from being abusive. The only organizations that allow the kind of talk Butler was spitting out is sports. A report of doing it just once would get someone sent to HR. Repeated offenses would result in termination. Because it is considered abusive.
Just because it is now illegal does not mean it was never abusive.
Again, just because it is punished now, does not mean it wasn't abusive. Just because it is less common does not mean it wasn't abusive.
This was always considered abuse. Maybe no one wanted to admit it happened. Maybe it wasn't widely broadcasted. But if anyone was known to do this it was always punishable.
The abuse doesn't disappear just because what was said was true.
So when you were sadly bullied, if you didn't try to stop it, then you couldn't say you were being abused?
I didn't ignore it. I said from the beginning, it was normal.
As far as the last part, I would use the "all poodles are dogs but not all dogs are poodles" cliche. Trash talking can be harmless, but some goes beyond acceptable. Bragging about your abilities I wouldn't call abuse. But demeaning another is. That's where Butler would have crossed the line if the reports are true.
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Of course I tried to "stop it". Which got me an even worse beating than the normal 3 or 4 I would get EVERY DAY. They said nothing to him. Maybe the next day they did. Fine. But why wouldn't they as it was happening if it was SO bad as you claim? What Butler did is nowhere near the level of the other actions you described. Most of which are also illegal, by the way.
Like I said. I will not change your mind. You will not change mine. We will agree to disagree. I have no desire to pursue this any further.
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Last edited by psd; 10-12-2018 at 05:55 PM.
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