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djday45 · 11-18-2008, 05:46 AM

Cant have some Sonny without a little Floyd.

STANCE - Right Handed. Floyd was a righty and had no special factors making me want to change that.

STYLE - Either. He was a true boxer/puncher and this was one of his strengths in that he could change his style. This was very apparent often in his rematches and the period after the Liston disasters where he got back so much respect in his career.

FOULS - Seldom. Floyd was a very clean fighter in and out of the ring. His hooks to the body sometimes strayed but that was enthusism not intent.

FIGHT INSIDE - 2. Patterson was good inside, not a speciality but he was effective when choosing to.

FIGHTING OUTSIDE - 3. Patterson was a really effective boxer with his amazing hand speed peek a boo defense and excellent leaping footwork.

COVER UP - 1. Not good in a crisis, was temped to giive him a zero but post Liston he did learn a bit and free off the expectancy of the title blossomed somewhat.

GO FOR KNOCKOUT - 3. It's often overlooked these days how much power Floyd had. He was a really strong puncher. It often got him into trouble in a fight but thats another story.

CLINCHING - 69. Quite a good mover in the ring and effective when doing so, he liked room to operate those flashy hooks and combos.

DRAW POWER - 6. Quite an effective draw as his fights as champ always seemed exciting due to his fragilness, afterwards less so as it took the public a long time to accept he wasant actually shot post Sonny.

CONDITIONING - 9. the very definition of a head case, Floyd was so erratic it was untrue. The funny thing is again post title he became much more settled down in his performances and far less up and down. My theory is that D'Amato's insistence on over protecting him so zealously in his championship reign really effected Patterson mentally. He was basically a very brave man and wanted to take on all comers but was stopped by Cus who refused to fight such dangerous contenders as Machen, Valdez, Folley and of course ducked Liston for years until it became a joke and Flloyd insisted on facing him.
Look at the quality of opposition after the title its a whose who of mid to late 60s heavyweight contenders. I think his managements attitude must of effected his confidence terribly and this bled into his woefully erractic performances as champion.

INTELLECT - 8. A clever fighter who was capable of making adjustments when not psyched out ie in the 2nd and 3rd Ingemar fights and in the late 60's.

CONTROL VS BOXERS - 12. Floyd always did best against boxers he performed magnificently against Ali, took apart Moore, won two out of three against Johannson, beat Machen and Cooper handily. It was partly his style Patterson leaped at you with his favourite hooks and combos so he needed room to work to be effective. Also his defense worked best with room to avois blows.

CONTROL VS SLUGGERS - 9. He didnt face many pure sluggers in his career but when he did they gave him fits. Liston and Quarry are the best examples but also Bonavena and Chuvalo also gave him problems due to their styles. at the end of the day Liston was jsut so totally wrong for Floyd in so many ways.

CHIN VS KNOCKOUT - 4. probably the heavyweight champ with the worst chin. Im tempted to give him a 5 but I will save the worst score by far for his recovery rating. Pattersons chin was strange he could sometimes take lots of punishment and other times go down like a sack of spuds. Im convinced it was his balance which with his leaping at opponents and his peek a boo defense he was often caught without having his feet set properly ie instant knockdown.

CHIN VS KNOCKOUT - 2. A prety decent score here as although he was often knocked down he nearly always bravely got back up. His KO's are more easily represented in the game as not getting back up after accumilated punishment.

RECOVERY -6. This is the big weakness, once he was hurt he often went to pieces completley. Down 6 times in a round in the first Ingemar fight. 3 times in the 2nd Liston fight. Twice in the 1st quarry fight, twice in the 3rd Ingemar fight, and all in the same round. Floyds recovery powers were truly terrible and giving him a 6 reflects that chance of multiple knockdowns handily.

RESISTANCE TO CUTS - he was only stopped once to cuts in his final fight against Ali so im quite comfortable giving him a 2 here.

ABSORB PUNISHMENT - 2. Although his chin was very suspect he was a very brave fighter with plenty of heart thats why he kept getting back up! a good solid 2 rating here will let those multiple knockdowns occur and sometimes let Floyd turn it around like he did.

KILLER INSTINCT - 8. Again I would emphasise how dangerous Patterson could be on the offensive look at the film of the Cooper, Johannsson, Moore or Rademacher fights he was a very dangerous puncher with plenty of bite to finish hurt opponents.

AGGRESIVNESS - 8. He always came foward sometimes this didnt do him any good and later he tempered this with more experiance and control but Floyd always came to fight.

ENDURANCE - 9. He was always in excellent shape and despite his conditioning rating it should be reflected here. he had a number of late stoppages in his favour Jackson, Harris, London and often had plenty in the tank if he had controlled the fight.

DEFENSE -2. He had an excellent defense the patented peek a boo style taught by D'Amato most famusly seen again in Tyson. The combination of excellent head movement and high guard served Floyd admirably.

FAST STARTER - 3. The Liston fights and many others showed how vulnerable Floyd was early on in the contest, he always warmed up mid bout.

FIGHT ON ROPES - 3. Didnt fight well under extreme pressure and this reflects that. Not a good place for Floyd to be backed into. despite his good footwork he got drawn into wars which were never a good idea with a chin like his.

HITTING POWER -9. I will say again that Floyd packed a wallop all right. This is a perfect score for him i feel not a true one punch ko man but hitting hard enough with that handspeed of his to take out plenty of opponents in mid to late round stoppages. Its very easy to forget about his left hooks as we remember him for the Liston pathetic performances, he was much more than that.

PUNCHING - 46. Now we come to the one ability which set him apart in the heavies. Maybe the single fastest hands in the division history and truly the one factor which made Patterson so special. His hands had blazing speed for his weight and without doubt this hand speed was a massive factor in what bought him his greatest victories and the championship. Absolutley a 46.

COUNTERPUNCHING - 42. The standard drop of four points here as he was never known as a counterer.

PUNCHES - Up his hooks in particular and his combos slightly and reduce down his jab and crosses to do so. His hook was his signature punch and his most damaging one it should reflect this.

OVERALL RATING - 10. A good solid overall rating for him. He will perform admirably here against most guys in the division and punch over his weight against some but at other times he will fold like a house of cards and infuriate you with his inconsistency a very entertining fighter to sim.

11-18-2008, 05:46 AM	#90
djday45 All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,502	Floyd Patterson Cant have some Sonny without a little Floyd. STANCE - Right Handed. Floyd was a righty and had no special factors making me want to change that. STYLE - Either. He was a true boxer/puncher and this was one of his strengths in that he could change his style. This was very apparent often in his rematches and the period after the Liston disasters where he got back so much respect in his career. FOULS - Seldom. Floyd was a very clean fighter in and out of the ring. His hooks to the body sometimes strayed but that was enthusism not intent. FIGHT INSIDE - 2. Patterson was good inside, not a speciality but he was effective when choosing to. FIGHTING OUTSIDE - 3. Patterson was a really effective boxer with his amazing hand speed peek a boo defense and excellent leaping footwork. COVER UP - 1. Not good in a crisis, was temped to giive him a zero but post Liston he did learn a bit and free off the expectancy of the title blossomed somewhat. GO FOR KNOCKOUT - 3. It's often overlooked these days how much power Floyd had. He was a really strong puncher. It often got him into trouble in a fight but thats another story. CLINCHING - 69. Quite a good mover in the ring and effective when doing so, he liked room to operate those flashy hooks and combos. DRAW POWER - 6. Quite an effective draw as his fights as champ always seemed exciting due to his fragilness, afterwards less so as it took the public a long time to accept he wasant actually shot post Sonny. CONDITIONING - 9. the very definition of a head case, Floyd was so erratic it was untrue. The funny thing is again post title he became much more settled down in his performances and far less up and down. My theory is that D'Amato's insistence on over protecting him so zealously in his championship reign really effected Patterson mentally. He was basically a very brave man and wanted to take on all comers but was stopped by Cus who refused to fight such dangerous contenders as Machen, Valdez, Folley and of course ducked Liston for years until it became a joke and Flloyd insisted on facing him. Look at the quality of opposition after the title its a whose who of mid to late 60s heavyweight contenders. I think his managements attitude must of effected his confidence terribly and this bled into his woefully erractic performances as champion. INTELLECT - 8. A clever fighter who was capable of making adjustments when not psyched out ie in the 2nd and 3rd Ingemar fights and in the late 60's. CONTROL VS BOXERS - 12. Floyd always did best against boxers he performed magnificently against Ali, took apart Moore, won two out of three against Johannson, beat Machen and Cooper handily. It was partly his style Patterson leaped at you with his favourite hooks and combos so he needed room to work to be effective. Also his defense worked best with room to avois blows. CONTROL VS SLUGGERS - 9. He didnt face many pure sluggers in his career but when he did they gave him fits. Liston and Quarry are the best examples but also Bonavena and Chuvalo also gave him problems due to their styles. at the end of the day Liston was jsut so totally wrong for Floyd in so many ways. CHIN VS KNOCKOUT - 4. probably the heavyweight champ with the worst chin. Im tempted to give him a 5 but I will save the worst score by far for his recovery rating. Pattersons chin was strange he could sometimes take lots of punishment and other times go down like a sack of spuds. Im convinced it was his balance which with his leaping at opponents and his peek a boo defense he was often caught without having his feet set properly ie instant knockdown. CHIN VS KNOCKOUT - 2. A prety decent score here as although he was often knocked down he nearly always bravely got back up. His KO's are more easily represented in the game as not getting back up after accumilated punishment. RECOVERY -6. This is the big weakness, once he was hurt he often went to pieces completley. Down 6 times in a round in the first Ingemar fight. 3 times in the 2nd Liston fight. Twice in the 1st quarry fight, twice in the 3rd Ingemar fight, and all in the same round. Floyds recovery powers were truly terrible and giving him a 6 reflects that chance of multiple knockdowns handily. RESISTANCE TO CUTS - he was only stopped once to cuts in his final fight against Ali so im quite comfortable giving him a 2 here. ABSORB PUNISHMENT - 2. Although his chin was very suspect he was a very brave fighter with plenty of heart thats why he kept getting back up! a good solid 2 rating here will let those multiple knockdowns occur and sometimes let Floyd turn it around like he did. KILLER INSTINCT - 8. Again I would emphasise how dangerous Patterson could be on the offensive look at the film of the Cooper, Johannsson, Moore or Rademacher fights he was a very dangerous puncher with plenty of bite to finish hurt opponents. AGGRESIVNESS - 8. He always came foward sometimes this didnt do him any good and later he tempered this with more experiance and control but Floyd always came to fight. ENDURANCE - 9. He was always in excellent shape and despite his conditioning rating it should be reflected here. he had a number of late stoppages in his favour Jackson, Harris, London and often had plenty in the tank if he had controlled the fight. DEFENSE -2. He had an excellent defense the patented peek a boo style taught by D'Amato most famusly seen again in Tyson. The combination of excellent head movement and high guard served Floyd admirably. FAST STARTER - 3. The Liston fights and many others showed how vulnerable Floyd was early on in the contest, he always warmed up mid bout. FIGHT ON ROPES - 3. Didnt fight well under extreme pressure and this reflects that. Not a good place for Floyd to be backed into. despite his good footwork he got drawn into wars which were never a good idea with a chin like his. HITTING POWER -9. I will say again that Floyd packed a wallop all right. This is a perfect score for him i feel not a true one punch ko man but hitting hard enough with that handspeed of his to take out plenty of opponents in mid to late round stoppages. Its very easy to forget about his left hooks as we remember him for the Liston pathetic performances, he was much more than that. PUNCHING - 46. Now we come to the one ability which set him apart in the heavies. Maybe the single fastest hands in the division history and truly the one factor which made Patterson so special. His hands had blazing speed for his weight and without doubt this hand speed was a massive factor in what bought him his greatest victories and the championship. Absolutley a 46. COUNTERPUNCHING - 42. The standard drop of four points here as he was never known as a counterer. PUNCHES - Up his hooks in particular and his combos slightly and reduce down his jab and crosses to do so. His hook was his signature punch and his most damaging one it should reflect this. OVERALL RATING - 10. A good solid overall rating for him. He will perform admirably here against most guys in the division and punch over his weight against some but at other times he will fold like a house of cards and infuriate you with his inconsistency a very entertining fighter to sim.