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VanillaGorilla · 10-09-2012, 05:57 PM

Two hitters enter the Hall in 1951. I had two computer entries that were screened for First Ballot consideration, and one of them was Honus Wagner. He soared in.

Honus Wagner is on the shortlist of players legitimately in the argument for best player ever. An original RL HOFer (the second of that class to enter this Hall) Honus achieved in this alternate world greatness amongst the greats.

He posted the highest HOFs number of anyone in the Hall, and his HOFm number is second only to Tris Speaker's.

He played from 1929 through 1949 and batted .336 (4th all-time) while collecting 3991 hits (3rd). He won 3 MVPs, appeared in 12 All Star games, and won 8 GGs at shortstop.

He spent his prime seasons with the St Louis Browns and won a WS with them.

He played in over 2900 games, and over 1200 of those were as a first baseman. In the 1640 games at SS he places first in just about every category that matters for both single season marks and career marks for SS, even though he is 19th on the GP at SS list.

12 times he collected 200 hits in a season, with a high of 254 in 1937, his best season, 403/457/597 npa OPS+ 186. His career npa OPS+ is 143.

He hit 276 HRs, with a single season high of 31. He drove in 1809 (4th), scored 2110 (3rd), and walked a cool looking 1111 times.

He twice hit for the cycle. His 64 doubles in 1934 is still the single season record at the time of his induction.

Black Ink 58 (109)
Gray Ink 386 (367)
HOFm 423.5 (316)
HOFs 86 (75)

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I LOVE this game. A big part of it is how the recalc and player development models mesh...this is just sooooo cool.

Coming off a strong 2011, Pablo Sandoval was in a prime position to have the fortunes bestowed by the player development model be in his favor. Sandoval was not inducted by the default HOF standards, but he gets in on the Veteran Standard in what could be called a Tony Perez induction.

Sandoval played from 1891 into the 1910 season. He got 2562 hits while batting .291 for his career.

Playing the deadball era he managed to get 100 RBI in a season 3 times.

He was also a key component in the Phillie dynasty that won 13 pennants and 9 WS while he played 3rd base.

Teammates David Wells and Hippo Vaughn certainly owe a portion of their success to the man who won an MVP for knocking in runs and 6 GGs at 3B preventing them.

In 1903, his MVP year, he hit league bests of .340 average, 36 doubles, and 103 RBI. His 6 HRs were 4th best that season.

Sandoval joins Hanley Ramirez and Evan Longoria as the third player who is active in RL to be inducted.

Black 16 Perez : 0
Gray 148 Perez : 129
HOFm 108 Perez : 81
HOFs 38 Perez : 41

ADD: Speaker, Lajoie, and Brouthers were also part of the Phillie dynasty, so to continue the theme of Sandoval getting in on the Perez standard, Morgan, Rose* and Bench preceeded him into the Hall, and the Davey Concepcion of these teams, Burt Campaneris, is on the bubble.

10-09-2012, 05:57 PM	#27
VanillaGorilla All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,371 Blog Entries: 2	Class of 1951: Wagner, Sandoval Two hitters enter the Hall in 1951. I had two computer entries that were screened for First Ballot consideration, and one of them was Honus Wagner. He soared in. Honus Wagner is on the shortlist of players legitimately in the argument for best player ever. An original RL HOFer (the second of that class to enter this Hall) Honus achieved in this alternate world greatness amongst the greats. He posted the highest HOFs number of anyone in the Hall, and his HOFm number is second only to Tris Speaker's. He played from 1929 through 1949 and batted .336 (4th all-time) while collecting 3991 hits (3rd). He won 3 MVPs, appeared in 12 All Star games, and won 8 GGs at shortstop. He spent his prime seasons with the St Louis Browns and won a WS with them. He played in over 2900 games, and over 1200 of those were as a first baseman. In the 1640 games at SS he places first in just about every category that matters for both single season marks and career marks for SS, even though he is 19th on the GP at SS list. 12 times he collected 200 hits in a season, with a high of 254 in 1937, his best season, 403/457/597 npa OPS+ 186. His career npa OPS+ is 143. He hit 276 HRs, with a single season high of 31. He drove in 1809 (4th), scored 2110 (3rd), and walked a cool looking 1111 times. He twice hit for the cycle. His 64 doubles in 1934 is still the single season record at the time of his induction. Black Ink 58 (109) Gray Ink 386 (367) HOFm 423.5 (316) HOFs 86 (75) --------- I LOVE this game. A big part of it is how the recalc and player development models mesh...this is just sooooo cool. Coming off a strong 2011, Pablo Sandoval was in a prime position to have the fortunes bestowed by the player development model be in his favor. Sandoval was not inducted by the default HOF standards, but he gets in on the Veteran Standard in what could be called a Tony Perez induction. Sandoval played from 1891 into the 1910 season. He got 2562 hits while batting .291 for his career. Playing the deadball era he managed to get 100 RBI in a season 3 times. He was also a key component in the Phillie dynasty that won 13 pennants and 9 WS while he played 3rd base. Teammates David Wells and Hippo Vaughn certainly owe a portion of their success to the man who won an MVP for knocking in runs and 6 GGs at 3B preventing them. In 1903, his MVP year, he hit league bests of .340 average, 36 doubles, and 103 RBI. His 6 HRs were 4th best that season. Sandoval joins Hanley Ramirez and Evan Longoria as the third player who is active in RL to be inducted. Black 16 Perez : 0 Gray 148 Perez : 129 HOFm 108 Perez : 81 HOFs 38 Perez : 41 ADD: Speaker, Lajoie, and Brouthers were also part of the Phillie dynasty, so to continue the theme of Sandoval getting in on the Perez standard, Morgan, Rose* and Bench preceeded him into the Hall, and the Davey Concepcion of these teams, Burt Campaneris, is on the bubble. Last edited by VanillaGorilla; 10-14-2012 at 05:00 AM.