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djday45 · 11-19-2008, 08:23 AM

As per usual if I dont mention a rating take it that im keeping it the same as per the database.

Baker is somewhat underated in the game as is, He was a golden gloves champ was considered a top ten contender by ring magazine from 1950 to 1956 and defeated amoung others Marty Marshall, Jimmy Bivins, Nino Valdez, Caesar Brion, Joe Baksi, Jimmy Slade, Rex Layne, John Holman, George Chuvalo and Dick Richardson. He also lost quite a few times and its this erratic up and down nature of his career we must try to model.

STANCE - Left Handed. Im using this as before to represent an aspect of his style he was known somewhat as awkward and a spoiler and his nickname was "the grinder" we will use this category to show up the fact he made people look bad.

GO FOR KNOCKOUT - 1. Although a light puncher against top opposition he did sometimes rarely explode so this should be a minor option.

CONDITIONING - 11. He was not a 1 thats for sure, despite research I cant come up with anything concrete as to why he was so inconsistent but he was! So the obvious ratings here are a 9 or 11. As im not sure if the prob was mental or physical and it gives an increased chance of an issue at 50% im going with an 11.

CONTROL VS BOXER - 8. Reducing this down one as many of his losses were against boxers such as Carter, Machen, Moore etc if he could survive against them most of his big wins were against sluggers.

CHIN VS KNOCKDOWN -2. Improving this by one as although he was ko'd twice he didnt often go down in the first place.

RECOVERY -2. Again an improvement of one as he didnt collapse in his losses and his recovery powers were ok.

ABSORB PUNISHMENT -2. Improved by one he was only stopped once by TKO by Moore which is no shame and a good solid two here is a pretty fair rating for him.

ENDURANCE -8. Up by one, he shows no major stamina problems and he won most of his fights against contenders by decision so he should be about average here which an 8 score is.

FIGHT ON ROPES - 2. Up one he was a cute boxer so should be on the good side here with ropes know how.

HITTING POWER -3. Slight up here as he was a light hitter but not truly powder puff. He much like Carter had a good percentage of stoppages against light opposition.

PUNCHES LANDED - 38. This was way too low at 34. he was not known as slow and had good boxing skills a 38 here and at counterpunching represents that nicely. He should be able to outbox average to good sluggers at this level with his good control factor/defense/PL combo.

COUNTERPUNCHING - 38. See above, keeping it the same level as he had good boxing skills and was seen as a spoiler and awkward.

OVERALL RATING - 6. Up two to 6 which is much fairer he had his limitations thats for sure and with that conditioning rating will be up and down in your rankings but it also shows on his day he was capable of putting in an excellent performance and beating a top ten fighter.

11-19-2008, 08:23 AM	#102
djday45 All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,502	Bob Baker As per usual if I dont mention a rating take it that im keeping it the same as per the database. Baker is somewhat underated in the game as is, He was a golden gloves champ was considered a top ten contender by ring magazine from 1950 to 1956 and defeated amoung others Marty Marshall, Jimmy Bivins, Nino Valdez, Caesar Brion, Joe Baksi, Jimmy Slade, Rex Layne, John Holman, George Chuvalo and Dick Richardson. He also lost quite a few times and its this erratic up and down nature of his career we must try to model. STANCE - Left Handed. Im using this as before to represent an aspect of his style he was known somewhat as awkward and a spoiler and his nickname was "the grinder" we will use this category to show up the fact he made people look bad. GO FOR KNOCKOUT - 1. Although a light puncher against top opposition he did sometimes rarely explode so this should be a minor option. CONDITIONING - 11. He was not a 1 thats for sure, despite research I cant come up with anything concrete as to why he was so inconsistent but he was! So the obvious ratings here are a 9 or 11. As im not sure if the prob was mental or physical and it gives an increased chance of an issue at 50% im going with an 11. CONTROL VS BOXER - 8. Reducing this down one as many of his losses were against boxers such as Carter, Machen, Moore etc if he could survive against them most of his big wins were against sluggers. CHIN VS KNOCKDOWN -2. Improving this by one as although he was ko'd twice he didnt often go down in the first place. RECOVERY -2. Again an improvement of one as he didnt collapse in his losses and his recovery powers were ok. ABSORB PUNISHMENT -2. Improved by one he was only stopped once by TKO by Moore which is no shame and a good solid two here is a pretty fair rating for him. ENDURANCE -8. Up by one, he shows no major stamina problems and he won most of his fights against contenders by decision so he should be about average here which an 8 score is. FIGHT ON ROPES - 2. Up one he was a cute boxer so should be on the good side here with ropes know how. HITTING POWER -3. Slight up here as he was a light hitter but not truly powder puff. He much like Carter had a good percentage of stoppages against light opposition. PUNCHES LANDED - 38. This was way too low at 34. he was not known as slow and had good boxing skills a 38 here and at counterpunching represents that nicely. He should be able to outbox average to good sluggers at this level with his good control factor/defense/PL combo. COUNTERPUNCHING - 38. See above, keeping it the same level as he had good boxing skills and was seen as a spoiler and awkward. OVERALL RATING - 6. Up two to 6 which is much fairer he had his limitations thats for sure and with that conditioning rating will be up and down in your rankings but it also shows on his day he was capable of putting in an excellent performance and beating a top ten fighter.