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Old 03-31-2013, 02:25 PM   #81
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Class of 2052 (1980): Wagner, Thompson, Ventura

With this class inducted, the most indicative stat for HOF induction is RBI. The top 33 career RBI men are now either in the HOF or yet to become eligible. RBI is a stat that plays into all 4 metrics. It is a team dependent stat, but players benefit in the HOFm metric by team success and play-off/ WS appearances. I found it interesting that this "discredited" (in the minds of some) is currently a better indicator of HOF induction than the more detailed WAR and VORP.

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It is hard to live up to the billing of being the next Honus Wagner.....even if you are, in fact, the latest incarnation of Honus Wagner.

Wagner was selected by the Red Sox when they used their first overall pick in 2024 to select him. Wagner is a definite HOFer, but he had to wait a year. I guess the voters were just expecting more from him.

Wagner produced, without a doubt, but injuries limited many of his yearly outputs. In spite of those injuries, Wagner was still named to 8 AS teams in his 21 year career.

After 6 years in Boston, he signed a mammoth 6 year deal with Washington. As a National, in 2036, Wagner played in all 158 games. He hit a career high 31 HRs and drove in a career high 113 runs and scored a career high 122. He slashed 342/416/510 to give himself a npa OPS+ of of 156. This was good enough to bring MVP hardware to his mantle.

For his career, Wagner collected 2794 hits (24th), 540 doubles (40th, 2 behind Vada Pinson and Ted Easterly), 301 HRs, 1335 RBI (96th) and scored 1581 times (26th, one more than Charlie Keller). Wagner also swiped 697 career bases (12th), leading the league 3 times. His career slash line of 311/381/485 gives him a career npa OPS+ of 136. His batting average is 33rd best, All Time.

Wagner enters by virtue of his HOFs number being one of the highest in league history. Only Ty Cobb and Willie McCovey have hgher numbers in that category.

Wagner is the 31st RL HOFer enshrined, the 37th player inducted into both OOTP HOF, and the 12th RL HOFer to be enshrined in both.

Wagner played in many post seasons, one WS, but retired ringless.

Black Ink: 12 (109)
Gray Ink: 100 (367)
HOFm: 139.5 (316)
HOFs: 74 (75)

Gorilla Composite: 3.6 (10.2)

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One of the thousands of cool things about having your own baseball universes is finding guys that the software seems to treat kindly, regularly. I had no idea who Bill DeLancey was before I started doing these HOF posts, now I will remember him forever.

Hank Thompson has become an OOTP favorite of mine, when using recalc. He is a stud. He may start out slow, but stick with him, when July comes around, he will become a monster. Unlike DeLancey, Hank Thompson doesn't enter the HOF after careful reflection by the veterans committee. He puts up numbers that demand entry. He becomes the 38th player to be inducted into this HOF and the previous one.

In his 22 years, including partial seasons, Thompson never hit .300 in a season...heck, even Bill Delancey had ONE .300 season. Thompson doesn't get in for being a pesky slappy, he powers his way in.

Taken with the 12th selection of the 2021 draft, by the Mets, Thompson clubbed 671 HRs (12th) in his career. He drove in 1918 (10th) and scored 1705 times (12th). He got on base via base hit 2663 (t-38th, Norm Cash) times and walked an additional 1420 times (19th).

In each of his 22 seasons, even playing at the age of 42, he had a npa OPS+ over 100.

A 9 time All Star, Thompson won a GG at 2B in a career that that brought him 2 WS appearances, but no WS rings.

Thompson posted a career slash line of 264/359/506 for a npa OPS+ of 136.

Hank Thompson enters the HOF with HOFm and HOFs numbers above the Hall averages.

Black Ink: 11
Gray Ink: 126
HOFm: 167
HOFs: 58

Gorilla Composite: 3.5

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Robin Ventura enters the Hall of Fame with the nick name "Pretty Boy" because, apparently learning from a past life experience, he never charged a pitching mound in his career.

Ventura was the 16th player selected in the 2019 draft (Marlins). He played through the 2037 season and collected 2447 hit(66th, 1 fewer than Beals Becker), of which 438 were HRs (79th).

In 2023 he had a career year posting career bests in all slash categories (324/423/595, npa OPS+ 181) hitting a career high 39 HRs (equaled in 2024) and driving in 116 and walking 102 times to win the league MVP.

With three HOF inductees this year, none of them, including Ventura, won a WS in his career. When you have 36 teams in a league, it makes it harder....

Ventura posted a career slash line of 266/355/460 for a npa OPS+ of 123.

Ventura drove in 1496 runs (57th, 1 more than Dusty Baker)and scored 1371 times (t-71st, Clyde Milan). He played in 3 ASGs and picked up 2 GGs at 3B.

Ventura enters the HOF on the basis of his HOFs number being above the Hall Average.

Black Ink: 6
Gray Ink: 67
HOFm: 84.5
HOFs: 51

Gorilla Composite: 2.3

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