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JCWeb · 07-29-2006, 10:06 PM

The formats for the second part of the reports is largely unchanged, but this time I will try to focus a bit on the crystal ball aspect, looking ahead to see what might happen next, which prospects are likely to succeed, etc.

Division Profile

Total boxers: 146 Real-life:76 TCs: 70

Real-life by career stage:

End: 3
Post: 7
Prime: 21
Pre: 34
Beginner: 11 (including 6 new in 1913)

Rated: 38
800+: 5
500+: 13
200+: 33

Jan 1913 Rankings (Perf Pts and changes from 1912 in Parens)

Champ: Sam Langford 42-5-1 (31) (1587) (NC)
1. Jack Johnson 66-7-3 (50) (1264) (NC)
2. Tommy Burns 40-8-3 (29) (1185) (+1)
3. Sam McVey 35-8-2 (23) (1132) (+1)
4. Joe Jeannette 33-4 (24) (1116) (-2)
5. Charley Miller 16-4-2 (9) (774) (+8)
6. James Jeffries 53-11-3 (46) (773) (-1)
7. Jeff Clarke 19-4-1 (16) (723) (NC)
8. Denver Ed Martin 29-19-3 (24) (-2)
9. Frank Moran 19-6 (10) (654) (NC)
10. Gunboat Smith 15-3-1 (10) (557) (-2)

Comments: Not alot of changes at the upper echelon, but there has been quite a bit of movement with some new faces emerging at the second tier of the division. Of the top 10, all at Prime except Jeff (at End), Jack Johnson and Denver Ed (at Post) and Gunboat (one more bout at Pre). Langford's lengthy win streak (now extending back almost five years) means his perf pts numbers are now second all time to Abe Attell. Johnson has managed to stay second best, beating everyone but Langford who has now beaten Jack three times in the last three years. Burns added the NABF belt and moved up in the rankings as well. McVey was 4-0 in 1912 and is looking for a title shot, preferrably versus Langford. Jeannette definitely had a subpar year, going just 2-2 and losing the NABF belt. Miller is the new face, leaping into the Top 10 with wins over Jeff (TKO 4) and Denver Ed Martin (MD 10). It remains to be seen whether he will be good enough to maintain his status. Jeff is fading but did manage to stay in the Top 10 with a win over Gunboat Smith. Clarke registered a TKO over Martin but lost to McVey. Martin remains in the Top 10 despite no wins in 1912, as does Gunboat.

Other notables: EBU and GBU champ Gunner Moir checks in at #14, 23-13-3 (12), 481 pp. Moir annexed the EBU belt and scored wins over Colin Bell and Arthur Pelkey to go 3-1 in 1912. Jim Stewart, now 17-8-1 (9), leapfrogged to 11th spot with a SD10 win over perennial LH champ Phila Jack O'Brien, who is now in the twilight of his career. Joe Grim, who will start to feel the effects of aging in 1913, holds down the #12 spot at 27-15-4 (6). Pelkey, last year's top prospect, stumbled versus Moir and debuts at #15, with a 14-2-1 (8) mark. It was a good year for the Flynns: Porky Dan had four wins and a draw, notably wins over Marvin Hart and Al Kaufmann, moving into the top 20 at #16 with a 18-8-1 (6) record. Fireman Jim Flynn also beat Kaufmann in going 3-0 in 1912 and is ranked #19. Kaufmann was the year's biggest loser, dropping all the way from #10 to #27 after going 1-3 with losses to both the Flynns and Frank Moran (Al needed to stay away from fighters with Irish surnames). Aussie Colin Bell rounds out the top 20 at 15-4-1 (8).

Prospects: Harry Wills tops the list at 12-0 (11), coming off an impressive KO 7 win versus Fighting Dick Gilbert. Also progressing well was Al Palzer, at 12-0 (9) and Ireland's Jim Coffey, also 12-0 (9), who looked good in a KO 8 win over aging but still dangerous vet, Marvin Hart. German Otto Flint 11-0 (10) has only faced TCs, and Brit Tom Cowler saw his unbeaten record go out the window when he lost to fellow Brit Bombadier Billy Wells, who bounced back with two wins and two draws in 1912 after an earlier setback. Of the newer guys, Jess Willard is 8-0 (6 KOs), as is the unfortunate Luther McCarty (7 KOs in the 8 wins) who hits Post-Prime quickly in 1913 due to his untimely ring death that same year. Joe Bonds is perfect with 5 KO wins in 5 bouts, and Brit Joe Beckett did almost as well at 5-0 (4) in his debut year.

Retirements: Three HWs called it quits. Career marks for each:

Jack Palmer (UK) 1901-1912 19-17-2 (14) GBU Champ, highest rank: 7
Bob Armstrong (USA) 1895-1912 40-25-2 (33) WBA Champ
Jem Roche (IRL) 1908-1912 8-7-4 (4) No Title and No ranking

Roche had the shortest career of any boxer in the sim so far, just 16 bouts.

Looking Ahead: McVey is clearly itching for a title shot at Langford, but right now Sam appears invincible. Look for one of the second tier guys (Moran, Gunboat, possibly Pelkey) to break through and claim a lesser title. I don't expect Miller to remain this highly rated once he is tested. Wills, Coffey, Palzer and the rest should continue to progress but it's unlikely they will be ready for a title shot before 1914. There is a strong crop of newcomers for 1913, led by Billy Miske, Fred Fulton and Bill "KO" Brennan. Of course, looking down the road, 1914 will be a watershed year as all-time great Jack Dempsey is set to make his debut.

07-29-2006, 10:06 PM	#93
JCWeb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,042	1912-Heavyweights Part II The formats for the second part of the reports is largely unchanged, but this time I will try to focus a bit on the crystal ball aspect, looking ahead to see what might happen next, which prospects are likely to succeed, etc. Division Profile Total boxers: 146 Real-life:76 TCs: 70 Real-life by career stage: End: 3 Post: 7 Prime: 21 Pre: 34 Beginner: 11 (including 6 new in 1913) Rated: 38 800+: 5 500+: 13 200+: 33 Jan 1913 Rankings (Perf Pts and changes from 1912 in Parens) Champ: Sam Langford 42-5-1 (31) (1587) (NC) 1. Jack Johnson 66-7-3 (50) (1264) (NC) 2. Tommy Burns 40-8-3 (29) (1185) (+1) 3. Sam McVey 35-8-2 (23) (1132) (+1) 4. Joe Jeannette 33-4 (24) (1116) (-2) 5. Charley Miller 16-4-2 (9) (774) (+8) 6. James Jeffries 53-11-3 (46) (773) (-1) 7. Jeff Clarke 19-4-1 (16) (723) (NC) 8. Denver Ed Martin 29-19-3 (24) (-2) 9. Frank Moran 19-6 (10) (654) (NC) 10. Gunboat Smith 15-3-1 (10) (557) (-2) Comments: Not alot of changes at the upper echelon, but there has been quite a bit of movement with some new faces emerging at the second tier of the division. Of the top 10, all at Prime except Jeff (at End), Jack Johnson and Denver Ed (at Post) and Gunboat (one more bout at Pre). Langford's lengthy win streak (now extending back almost five years) means his perf pts numbers are now second all time to Abe Attell. Johnson has managed to stay second best, beating everyone but Langford who has now beaten Jack three times in the last three years. Burns added the NABF belt and moved up in the rankings as well. McVey was 4-0 in 1912 and is looking for a title shot, preferrably versus Langford. Jeannette definitely had a subpar year, going just 2-2 and losing the NABF belt. Miller is the new face, leaping into the Top 10 with wins over Jeff (TKO 4) and Denver Ed Martin (MD 10). It remains to be seen whether he will be good enough to maintain his status. Jeff is fading but did manage to stay in the Top 10 with a win over Gunboat Smith. Clarke registered a TKO over Martin but lost to McVey. Martin remains in the Top 10 despite no wins in 1912, as does Gunboat. Other notables: EBU and GBU champ Gunner Moir checks in at #14, 23-13-3 (12), 481 pp. Moir annexed the EBU belt and scored wins over Colin Bell and Arthur Pelkey to go 3-1 in 1912. Jim Stewart, now 17-8-1 (9), leapfrogged to 11th spot with a SD10 win over perennial LH champ Phila Jack O'Brien, who is now in the twilight of his career. Joe Grim, who will start to feel the effects of aging in 1913, holds down the #12 spot at 27-15-4 (6). Pelkey, last year's top prospect, stumbled versus Moir and debuts at #15, with a 14-2-1 (8) mark. It was a good year for the Flynns: Porky Dan had four wins and a draw, notably wins over Marvin Hart and Al Kaufmann, moving into the top 20 at #16 with a 18-8-1 (6) record. Fireman Jim Flynn also beat Kaufmann in going 3-0 in 1912 and is ranked #19. Kaufmann was the year's biggest loser, dropping all the way from #10 to #27 after going 1-3 with losses to both the Flynns and Frank Moran (Al needed to stay away from fighters with Irish surnames). Aussie Colin Bell rounds out the top 20 at 15-4-1 (8). Prospects: Harry Wills tops the list at 12-0 (11), coming off an impressive KO 7 win versus Fighting Dick Gilbert. Also progressing well was Al Palzer, at 12-0 (9) and Ireland's Jim Coffey, also 12-0 (9), who looked good in a KO 8 win over aging but still dangerous vet, Marvin Hart. German Otto Flint 11-0 (10) has only faced TCs, and Brit Tom Cowler saw his unbeaten record go out the window when he lost to fellow Brit Bombadier Billy Wells, who bounced back with two wins and two draws in 1912 after an earlier setback. Of the newer guys, Jess Willard is 8-0 (6 KOs), as is the unfortunate Luther McCarty (7 KOs in the 8 wins) who hits Post-Prime quickly in 1913 due to his untimely ring death that same year. Joe Bonds is perfect with 5 KO wins in 5 bouts, and Brit Joe Beckett did almost as well at 5-0 (4) in his debut year. Retirements: Three HWs called it quits. Career marks for each: Jack Palmer (UK) 1901-1912 19-17-2 (14) GBU Champ, highest rank: 7 Bob Armstrong (USA) 1895-1912 40-25-2 (33) WBA Champ Jem Roche (IRL) 1908-1912 8-7-4 (4) No Title and No ranking Roche had the shortest career of any boxer in the sim so far, just 16 bouts. Looking Ahead: McVey is clearly itching for a title shot at Langford, but right now Sam appears invincible. Look for one of the second tier guys (Moran, Gunboat, possibly Pelkey) to break through and claim a lesser title. I don't expect Miller to remain this highly rated once he is tested. Wills, Coffey, Palzer and the rest should continue to progress but it's unlikely they will be ready for a title shot before 1914. There is a strong crop of newcomers for 1913, led by Billy Miske, Fred Fulton and Bill "KO" Brennan. Of course, looking down the road, 1914 will be a watershed year as all-time great Jack Dempsey is set to make his debut.