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jdw · 01-02-2005, 11:02 PM

> Thanks, John
>
> Even if unintended, I feel it was a defense of
> my strategy.

Your start probably would work in real life, to some degree. In OOTP... who knows. It's a SIM, so stacking things in certain ways can expliot it. For example, playing in the Astro Dome an stacking the team with a core of extreme flyball pitchers, backing them with off the charts range in the OF, etc. In Real Life, you would get a bump that way. But in a SIM, you could get an extreme bump.

I think we've all played SIM that have real "splits" for pitchers and hitters, and found spots in the line-up to platoon at, and ended up with hitters far exceeding their real life numbers because they get that triple bonus:

* Righties hit LHP better
* RH Player X hits LHP much better
* LHP Pitcher Y throws to RH batters much worse

When I replay 1993 in some SIM games, I can get 31 HR out of Brian Jordan in about 238 PA, almost all against RHP, by exploiting his real life .365/.412/.825 split in about 70 PAs against lefites. Dittos on Lou Whitaker the same year against righties.

So I don't doubt there are ways to expliot blind spots in the game engine of OOTP, and they're probably well known by those of you who play it a lot. We all know the AI GM is horrid in most any "standard" setting, and it can be exploited worse than the KC A's were by the Yanks in the 50s.

So "pitching and defense" may be one are to do it. When I look at the Phils last year, I see a team that allowed just 9 less runs than the Cards last year, and 24 less than the Braves. On the other hand, they scored 98 more runs than the Cards, and 117 more than the Braves. I don't think the parks accounted for a great deal of that margin. Frankly, the Phils didn't field a great defense last season. Rossi had poor range at 1B. Perly was unacceptable at SS, and moved over to 2B where he was just average. Pokey was a great 2B playing out of position at SS where his range ended up being a 1. Crocitto was a mediocre SS/2B playing out of position as a back up 3B. Moe was of limited range at 3B. I don't want to say it was the worst IF in TWB, but it's wasn't so hot. Rhino was an above average LF, Baker is a brutal RF with no range and a wet noddle for an arm. When Pokey was out of position, the team had exactly two good fielders - Rauch who was exceptional behind the plate and Artie in CF who combined good range with an average arm.

Now the Phils *did* have some great pitching to go with their strong offense.

John

01-02-2005, 11:02 PM	#3236
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	> Thanks, John > > Even if unintended, I feel it was a defense of > my strategy. Your start probably would work in real life, to some degree. In OOTP... who knows. It's a SIM, so stacking things in certain ways can expliot it. For example, playing in the Astro Dome an stacking the team with a core of extreme flyball pitchers, backing them with off the charts range in the OF, etc. In Real Life, you would get a bump that way. But in a SIM, you could get an extreme bump. I think we've all played SIM that have real "splits" for pitchers and hitters, and found spots in the line-up to platoon at, and ended up with hitters far exceeding their real life numbers because they get that triple bonus: * Righties hit LHP better * RH Player X hits LHP much better * LHP Pitcher Y throws to RH batters much worse When I replay 1993 in some SIM games, I can get 31 HR out of Brian Jordan in about 238 PA, almost all against RHP, by exploiting his real life .365/.412/.825 split in about 70 PAs against lefites. Dittos on Lou Whitaker the same year against righties. So I don't doubt there are ways to expliot blind spots in the game engine of OOTP, and they're probably well known by those of you who play it a lot. We all know the AI GM is horrid in most any "standard" setting, and it can be exploited worse than the KC A's were by the Yanks in the 50s. So "pitching and defense" may be one are to do it. When I look at the Phils last year, I see a team that allowed just 9 less runs than the Cards last year, and 24 less than the Braves. On the other hand, they scored 98 more runs than the Cards, and 117 more than the Braves. I don't think the parks accounted for a great deal of that margin. Frankly, the Phils didn't field a great defense last season. Rossi had poor range at 1B. Perly was unacceptable at SS, and moved over to 2B where he was just average. Pokey was a great 2B playing out of position at SS where his range ended up being a 1. Crocitto was a mediocre SS/2B playing out of position as a back up 3B. Moe was of limited range at 3B. I don't want to say it was the worst IF in TWB, but it's wasn't so hot. Rhino was an above average LF, Baker is a brutal RF with no range and a wet noddle for an arm. When Pokey was out of position, the team had exactly two good fielders - Rauch who was exceptional behind the plate and Artie in CF who combined good range with an average arm. Now the Phils did have some great pitching to go with their strong offense. John