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Aordolin · 10-29-2004, 03:31 PM

Ok I simmed some more seasons and got some numbers that should prove interesting. This is what I did, I simmed the same season over agian 5 straight times with each set up. I am using 5 man rotations with relievers being used "OFTEN" and pitcher endurance at "NORMAL". I simmed 5 years with the staffs set for my 16 team league the way I normally set them in the past. Next, I set the closer in the number 1 setup man spot in addition to being the closer and putting that setup man in the 2nd setup spot. Last I installed a previous patch 6.03 (I think there was one after that and before 6.10/6.11 but I couldnt find it) and used my staffs the way I had in example 1.

Sim #1 Normal Staff setup using 6.11

154 game (16 Teams) season total league saves 602 (average over 5 seasons) League saves leader had average of 27 saves.

I excluded closers who got injured over the course of the season and their relievers so as not to skew the percentages. I broke it up by CLOSER, SETUP, MR.

Closers: 285
Setup: 123
Relievers: 115
54.4%

So basically, not factoring in blown saves, the player assigned as the team closer got the save chance 54.4% of the time.

Sim #2 Closers assigned to Setup 1 role as well as closer role. Setup1 moved to 2

154 game (16 Teams) season total league saves 551 (average over 5 seasons). Saves leader averaged 29 saves.

Agian injured closers and there relievers were excluded from calculations

Closers: 313
Setup #2: 92
Relievers: 81
64.4%

This was a little better but as you can see relievers are still getting way to many chances.

Sim #3 Same as Sim #1 only using patch version 6.03

154 game (16 Teams) season total league saves 608 (average over 5 seasons). Saves leader averaged 38 saves.

Closers: 450
Setup #1: 38
Relievers: 70
80.6%

This is what I had been used to in the previous 16 seasons I had simmed prior to installing the 6.11 patch. The relievers still seem to ve getting a few too many chances but you can see a dramatic difference in before and after.

I was curious at what the save stats were from baseball from this last season. I am going to throw out the stats for teams that did not have an established closer for the entire season due to injury, ineffectiveness, or trades.

Smoltz 44 of 48
Foulke 32 of 36
Graves 41 of 47
Benitez 47 of 53
Gagne 45 of 51
Kolb 39 of 42
Nathan 44 of 48
Looper 29 of 31
Rivera 53 of 59
Mesa 43 of 46
Hoffman 41 of 44
Isringhausen 47 of 57
Baez 30 of 35
Cordero 49 of 52

This averages out to 90% on the dot. I only took the above players because there were the only ones who played the entire season as the number one closer. I am sure if someone wanted to break down the numbers for others before they were hurt, traded.. etc those numbers would match these.

Hope these numbers will prove useful.

10-29-2004, 03:31 PM	#12
Aordolin All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 586	Ok I simmed some more seasons and got some numbers that should prove interesting. This is what I did, I simmed the same season over agian 5 straight times with each set up. I am using 5 man rotations with relievers being used "OFTEN" and pitcher endurance at "NORMAL". I simmed 5 years with the staffs set for my 16 team league the way I normally set them in the past. Next, I set the closer in the number 1 setup man spot in addition to being the closer and putting that setup man in the 2nd setup spot. Last I installed a previous patch 6.03 (I think there was one after that and before 6.10/6.11 but I couldnt find it) and used my staffs the way I had in example 1. Sim #1 Normal Staff setup using 6.11 154 game (16 Teams) season total league saves 602 (average over 5 seasons) League saves leader had average of 27 saves. I excluded closers who got injured over the course of the season and their relievers so as not to skew the percentages. I broke it up by CLOSER, SETUP, MR. Closers: 285 Setup: 123 Relievers: 115 54.4% So basically, not factoring in blown saves, the player assigned as the team closer got the save chance 54.4% of the time. Sim #2 Closers assigned to Setup 1 role as well as closer role. Setup1 moved to 2 154 game (16 Teams) season total league saves 551 (average over 5 seasons). Saves leader averaged 29 saves. Agian injured closers and there relievers were excluded from calculations Closers: 313 Setup #2: 92 Relievers: 81 64.4% This was a little better but as you can see relievers are still getting way to many chances. Sim #3 Same as Sim #1 only using patch version 6.03 154 game (16 Teams) season total league saves 608 (average over 5 seasons). Saves leader averaged 38 saves. Closers: 450 Setup #1: 38 Relievers: 70 80.6% This is what I had been used to in the previous 16 seasons I had simmed prior to installing the 6.11 patch. The relievers still seem to ve getting a few too many chances but you can see a dramatic difference in before and after. I was curious at what the save stats were from baseball from this last season. I am going to throw out the stats for teams that did not have an established closer for the entire season due to injury, ineffectiveness, or trades. Smoltz 44 of 48 Foulke 32 of 36 Graves 41 of 47 Benitez 47 of 53 Gagne 45 of 51 Kolb 39 of 42 Nathan 44 of 48 Looper 29 of 31 Rivera 53 of 59 Mesa 43 of 46 Hoffman 41 of 44 Isringhausen 47 of 57 Baez 30 of 35 Cordero 49 of 52 This averages out to 90% on the dot. I only took the above players because there were the only ones who played the entire season as the number one closer. I am sure if someone wanted to break down the numbers for others before they were hurt, traded.. etc those numbers would match these. Hope these numbers will prove useful.