[knuckler]

Just as an example, here are a couple of elephant logos that could possibly be made into Athletic logos. They would be cool inside of a circle that had the Philadelphia Athletics inside of it. I think royal blue would still be best for the primary color with red as trim:

http://www.geocities.com/cybercloped...54_235x200.JPG

http://e-bility.com/travelaffare/images/logo.gif

http://d-c.fullerton.edu/images/tuffy.jpg

http://www.jpguide.dk/annoncer/white_elephant/Logo.gif

http://logoshak.com/~asgsport/images..._Athletics.gif

For the Phillies:

http://bensguide.gpo.gov/images/icon...ingbk/hall.gif

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/his...bell/color.GIF

http://www.ballcharts.com/teams/colonials/logo.gif

Or some other type of colonial or patriot guy in the circle. These images are just suggestions.