[QUOTE=Dud_Selig][QUOTE=Altus]I know I will probably idetify myself as an idiot, but I have could use some help. Dud, I liked the monkey avatar better. I think it somehow did a better job portraying the Selig character.
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"The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man"
- William Graham Sumner
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