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Originally Posted by holyroller
Chipper Jones - A very interesting case. From 1996 to the present he has been a fantastic hitter, but his defense at third was so undeniably awful that it detracts greatly from his value. Right now, he would not get my vote despite the OBP that I love and plus power to boot. However, he is still just 32 and has at least 4-5 seasons to improve his chances.
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Originally Posted by holyroller
Edgar Martinez - Best included here despite the fact that he hasn't played an inning at the position since 1996 and has not been a regular here since '92. Opinions of him will be largely dependent on how you feel about the DH question. My position is that he is in, right now, but I have a sinking feeling he will not actually make it. The Mariners screwed him over by keeping him in AAA in favor of Jim Presley (CHRIST!!!) long after he was ready and his predeliction for injury moved him off third, but he has been a superlative hitter since day one. Thanks to the stupidity of Mariners management, his career counting stats are unimpressive, but his rate stats are so damned good. 101.2 WARP3 and a .423 career OBP push me well over the borderline. Has my vote in a second, but I doubt he will actually get in.
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So Chipper doesn't get in because of his "undeniably awful" defense but a guy he's probably equal to with the bat gets in despite the fact that his defense is so terrible they haven't even bothered putting him on the field for the last 8+ seasons?
