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Originally posted by kq76
Easy, JP Ricciardi, Carlos Tosca... Don't get me wrong, I think JP is the best thing to happen to the Jays in a long time, but I don't think he gets everything right. Listening to him you'd think that a player's arm might actually fall off if they make 1 more pitch. Or am I just over-reacting because our bullpen would let someone with a mere scratch bleed to death? I definitely think a pitcher should take himself out if he feels something and I understand one's ego might get in the way and so you want to keep a close eye on him, but taking them out automatically after x pitches just seems wrong to me and so does probably the best pitching coach today (Mazzone) getting labeled as a pitcher abuser (I believe Neyer did that when Mazzone let a young pitcher pitch 121 pitches or something like that). As for younger pitchers, I agree with many that say you need to watch them much closer as you can't really trust that they know what is best for themselves yet, but you should still use your eyes more than your fingers.
But you have not proved that that is the case. There are going to be days where a pitcher can really only go 70 pitches (very hot or cold days, maybe they stayed out partying too long the night before, their name is Andy and their eyes look a little glazed over, etc) and there are going to be days when they can go 130. If you auto take them out after x pitches, then you're probably either under or over-using them too much, which hurts your team either way.
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Never fall into hypes created by talks. You know how many teams got lower PAPIP numbers than the Jays last year? 14. The Jays are pretty middle of the road when it comes to pitch counts.
And I think you failed to realize that even with Mazzone's great eyes, he never let his pitcher go above 131 in the past three years!!!! And only 12 times above 121!!! What you said about "somedays 130" is pretty much baseless and meaningless.