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Jayzone · 04-25-2004, 03:54 PM

The tale of a second pitcher...

I was digging my league (same one) and trying find out how widspread is this development stall syndrome. To my surprise, I find a " the swan" type pitcher.

Player history: Rick Gadberry RHP/MR was drafted in 6th round out total of 7 rounds as a HS middle reliever prospect. Initially, he looks just like a part-time reliver in the future with above-average suff and *light* fastball. In his second year, Rick lost some feel to his stuff - his sole major upside. At the time, all hopes seems to be lost to Rick. In third year, Rick found back some feel on his stuff and also change his pitching tactics from throwing 4-seam fastballs to throwing cut-fastball exculsively (improved movement). After that, the potential of Rick just keep increasing in all aspect. Right now, judging from the potential rating of Rick, if he fully fullfill his potential, he will be one of the premier closer (assuming computer switch him) with Great stuff and extreme movement.

note: Rick got traded in 6/22/2005 (from computer team to computer), so I include the scout/coach rating for both teams. The rating in 2006 is *TRUE* current rating (player editor ON).

Code:

Rick Gadberry RHP (MR)
Birthday: 2/2/1981

Year Stuff Movement Control Velocity Record                           stars       Coach Scout
2000 32/60    2/28     8/41    87-90 A     5-2-0 2.70 63.1IP 40K 23BB   1.0   Excellent Excellent
2001 14/24    6/32     8/45    87-90 A     2-0-0 3.97 22.2IP 23K 12BB   1.0 Outstanding Outstanding
2001                                 AA    0-0-0 5.15 50.2IP 41K 18BB              Good
2002 14/42    8/51    10/59    87-90 A     9-5-4 3.21 84.0IP 59K 30BB   2.0   LEGENDARY LEGENDARY
2003 19/60   10/71    16/59    87-90 A     2-3-2 2.24 64.1IP 50K 35BB   3.0 Outstanding Good
2003                                 Major 0-0-0 15.0  3.0IP  2K  5BB
2004 19/79   10/87    16/76    87-90 A     2-3-1 3.55 50.2IP 30K 26BB   5.0   Excellent Outstanding
2004                                 Major 1-0-0 0.00  2.1IP  2K  0BB
2005 19/79   10/87    16/70    87-90 A     3-5-3 4.11 50.1IP 45K 24BB   5.0 Outstanding Outstanding
                                                                                Average Good
2006 19/99   16/115   20/76    87-90


Year Spring Training                  Player Development
2000 good pitching sessions!          (5/3)  duration drops to 25 ...
     improved his control!

2001 increased his throwing velocity! (5/10) lost some of his feel for his stuff...
 
2002 good pitching sessions!          (4/5)  improved his pure stuff!
     improved his control!            (4/5)  movement has improved!

2003 increased his throwing velocity! (6/14) improved his pure stuff!
     improved his control!            (6/14) movement has improved!

2004 good pitching sessions!          (8/9)  improved his pure stuff!
     lost some throwing velocity.     (8/9)  movement has improved!
                                      (8/9)  command improved!

2005 good pitching sessions!          (4/12) duration raises to 19 ...


Injury History
none

Observation: It seems that Rick almost always has goo pitching sessions in the spring training. However, this does NOT translate into ability increase. Rick is still a very bad pitcher in terms of ability rating. His development, to sum it in a word, is just stalling (still in 20s range). He is turning 25 this year, can he fullfill his potential in time before he enter his prime? Only time will tell. Also, I find myself pleasantly surprised when I see Rick jump from 1.0 prospect to 5.0 prospect, considering his nuturing is not as good as Carlos'.

By the way, I don't own Rick. How long do you think the computer GM will keep faith in Rick?

Thoughts on Rick and player development?

04-25-2004, 03:54 PM	#23
Jayzone All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 706	The tale of a second pitcher... I was digging my league (same one) and trying find out how widspread is this development stall syndrome. To my surprise, I find a " the swan" type pitcher. Player history: Rick Gadberry RHP/MR was drafted in 6th round out total of 7 rounds as a HS middle reliever prospect. Initially, he looks just like a part-time reliver in the future with above-average suff and light fastball. In his second year, Rick lost some feel to his stuff - his sole major upside. At the time, all hopes seems to be lost to Rick. In third year, Rick found back some feel on his stuff and also change his pitching tactics from throwing 4-seam fastballs to throwing cut-fastball exculsively (improved movement). After that, the potential of Rick just keep increasing in all aspect. Right now, judging from the potential rating of Rick, if he fully fullfill his potential, he will be one of the premier closer (assuming computer switch him) with Great stuff and extreme movement. note: Rick got traded in 6/22/2005 (from computer team to computer), so I include the scout/coach rating for both teams. The rating in 2006 is TRUE current rating (player editor ON). Code: Rick Gadberry RHP (MR) Birthday: 2/2/1981 Year Stuff Movement Control Velocity Record stars Coach Scout 2000 32/60 2/28 8/41 87-90 A 5-2-0 2.70 63.1IP 40K 23BB 1.0 Excellent Excellent 2001 14/24 6/32 8/45 87-90 A 2-0-0 3.97 22.2IP 23K 12BB 1.0 Outstanding Outstanding 2001 AA 0-0-0 5.15 50.2IP 41K 18BB Good 2002 14/42 8/51 10/59 87-90 A 9-5-4 3.21 84.0IP 59K 30BB 2.0 LEGENDARY LEGENDARY 2003 19/60 10/71 16/59 87-90 A 2-3-2 2.24 64.1IP 50K 35BB 3.0 Outstanding Good 2003 Major 0-0-0 15.0 3.0IP 2K 5BB 2004 19/79 10/87 16/76 87-90 A 2-3-1 3.55 50.2IP 30K 26BB 5.0 Excellent Outstanding 2004 Major 1-0-0 0.00 2.1IP 2K 0BB 2005 19/79 10/87 16/70 87-90 A 3-5-3 4.11 50.1IP 45K 24BB 5.0 Outstanding Outstanding Average Good 2006 19/99 16/115 20/76 87-90 Year Spring Training Player Development 2000 good pitching sessions! (5/3) duration drops to 25 ... improved his control! 2001 increased his throwing velocity! (5/10) lost some of his feel for his stuff... 2002 good pitching sessions! (4/5) improved his pure stuff! improved his control! (4/5) movement has improved! 2003 increased his throwing velocity! (6/14) improved his pure stuff! improved his control! (6/14) movement has improved! 2004 good pitching sessions! (8/9) improved his pure stuff! lost some throwing velocity. (8/9) movement has improved! (8/9) command improved! 2005 good pitching sessions! (4/12) duration raises to 19 ... Injury History none Observation: It seems that Rick almost always has goo pitching sessions in the spring training. However, this does NOT translate into ability increase. Rick is still a very bad pitcher in terms of ability rating. His development, to sum it in a word, is just stalling (still in 20s range). He is turning 25 this year, can he fullfill his potential in time before he enter his prime? Only time will tell. Also, I find myself pleasantly surprised when I see Rick jump from 1.0 prospect to 5.0 prospect, considering his nuturing is not as good as Carlos'. By the way, I don't own Rick. How long do you think the computer GM will keep faith in Rick? Thoughts on Rick and player development? __________________ Rating Translator v0.93b (for OOTP 6/6.5) - released/updated on 03/13/05. - The function of this utility is to translate both the player's ability and talent ratings into stats (expected performance). Note: Rating Translator is now also hosted at jazzrack's CLB - OOTP Download. Click here for the discussion on "How computer GM may be made smarter by having built-in rating translation ability"