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mking55 · 02-05-2004, 11:01 PM

I only brought up Clark because I found the picture and as a bonus during my search I saw that knockout record trivia. I thought it was interesting.

Even if they were all bums that he fought, like it looks like, it is still quite unique in my mind. 44 knockouts! Maybe the Trunzo's put him in because he was a KO artist? Then again, like you said, maybe because he lost to Ali. However, that does give him 2 claims to fame.

I still don't think that Steele and Clark can be mentioned in the same breath, except as guys who beat on bums. And I'm sorry for my spelling of the Senator's name. I looked it up on google to be sure, and wouldn't you know it, a bunch of sites have his name spelled wrong. Shame on me!

I had never heard of Robert Cleroux until I got this game, or if I had, I'd forgotten him. Chuvalo is my first recollection of a boxer. I thought he beat Patterson, but I was biased and cheering the home town favorite. George was quite upset that he lost the decision. I agonized over the Chuvalo-Terrell fight. Terrell beat him badly in my memory and I was quite disappointed. I was thrilled by the Chuvalo-Ali fight, because George went the distance. His victory over Quarry sticks out in my mind as one of the high points of his career.

Why the Quarry fight? In my no-nothing opinion, George Chuvalo lost every world class fight he was in. You couldn't knock him down, but that was about it. He lost to everyone it seemed. When he had the fight with Quarry it was almost a miracle in my mind that he won. As we all know it is so frustrating as a kid to have a sports favorite who just can't win. That was Chuvalo. He was Canadian champion, but so what? I wanted a World Champion.

What is even sadder about my misguided youth was my choice as 2nd favorite fighter. That was Henry Cooper. How pathetic could I get?

The only reason I can see why Chuvalo ends up with a high rating is that you couldn't knock him down. That's it. And he lasted a long time. Long enough to lose to almost every top fighter of his era. If you fight all the 9-rated fighters against each other, and I have, George Chuvalo had the 2nd worst winning percentage. (Paolino Uzcudun had the worst. He must have been a better woodchopper than fighter because he couldn't chop down the other fighters).

I have no idea why Cleroux rates so high. Who did he beat? Cleveland Williams was 137 years old when Cleroux beat him. He sometimes beat Chuvalo, and sometimes Chuvalo beat him. He lost to Zora Folley twice. He lost to Mike DeJohn. He lost to Buddy Turman from Tyler, Texas (where I live). The only person of note I see him winning against was Roy Harris. And I don't think beating Roy Harris makes you anything (except maybe Texas State Heavyweight Champion).

So, I have rambled enough. I have no idea why Cleroux is anything above a 3 or 4. Chuvalo says '6' to me. But I am a hard marker. I would be curious if you could get the Trunzo's to explain these high ratings for Chuvalo and Cleroux. Is it the favortism of Canadians? (Then why isn't Clyde Gray a 10?).

Seriously, I would love to know. From studying the records a few of these ratings are way beyond my understanding. Cleroux is one of them. Chuvalo is sort of another one.

02-05-2004, 11:01 PM	#91
mking55 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boading, China Posts: 1,249	I only brought up Clark because I found the picture and as a bonus during my search I saw that knockout record trivia. I thought it was interesting. Even if they were all bums that he fought, like it looks like, it is still quite unique in my mind. 44 knockouts! Maybe the Trunzo's put him in because he was a KO artist? Then again, like you said, maybe because he lost to Ali. However, that does give him 2 claims to fame. I still don't think that Steele and Clark can be mentioned in the same breath, except as guys who beat on bums. And I'm sorry for my spelling of the Senator's name. I looked it up on google to be sure, and wouldn't you know it, a bunch of sites have his name spelled wrong. Shame on me! I had never heard of Robert Cleroux until I got this game, or if I had, I'd forgotten him. Chuvalo is my first recollection of a boxer. I thought he beat Patterson, but I was biased and cheering the home town favorite. George was quite upset that he lost the decision. I agonized over the Chuvalo-Terrell fight. Terrell beat him badly in my memory and I was quite disappointed. I was thrilled by the Chuvalo-Ali fight, because George went the distance. His victory over Quarry sticks out in my mind as one of the high points of his career. Why the Quarry fight? In my no-nothing opinion, George Chuvalo lost every world class fight he was in. You couldn't knock him down, but that was about it. He lost to everyone it seemed. When he had the fight with Quarry it was almost a miracle in my mind that he won. As we all know it is so frustrating as a kid to have a sports favorite who just can't win. That was Chuvalo. He was Canadian champion, but so what? I wanted a World Champion. What is even sadder about my misguided youth was my choice as 2nd favorite fighter. That was Henry Cooper. How pathetic could I get? The only reason I can see why Chuvalo ends up with a high rating is that you couldn't knock him down. That's it. And he lasted a long time. Long enough to lose to almost every top fighter of his era. If you fight all the 9-rated fighters against each other, and I have, George Chuvalo had the 2nd worst winning percentage. (Paolino Uzcudun had the worst. He must have been a better woodchopper than fighter because he couldn't chop down the other fighters). I have no idea why Cleroux rates so high. Who did he beat? Cleveland Williams was 137 years old when Cleroux beat him. He sometimes beat Chuvalo, and sometimes Chuvalo beat him. He lost to Zora Folley twice. He lost to Mike DeJohn. He lost to Buddy Turman from Tyler, Texas (where I live). The only person of note I see him winning against was Roy Harris. And I don't think beating Roy Harris makes you anything (except maybe Texas State Heavyweight Champion). So, I have rambled enough. I have no idea why Cleroux is anything above a 3 or 4. Chuvalo says '6' to me. But I am a hard marker. I would be curious if you could get the Trunzo's to explain these high ratings for Chuvalo and Cleroux. Is it the favortism of Canadians? (Then why isn't Clyde Gray a 10?). Seriously, I would love to know. From studying the records a few of these ratings are way beyond my understanding. Cleroux is one of them. Chuvalo is sort of another one.