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Originally Posted by Rain King
I guess I'm trying to understand how you are evaluating all of this.
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ok, let's investigate this together. I'll just grab the latest season's defensive stats and see if I can find another example.
Look at 2 guys in the attached image... Glenn Beckert and Felix Millan. OOTP wants to give the Gold Glove to Millan.
Look at the Range stat first:
Beckert had the highest range (actual successfully fielded balls) per 9 innings of any 2B. It's not even close. He was 6.25 and then there was a clump of fielders from 5.60 downward, starting with Millan.
Now look at Zone Rating:
Millan has an amazing 18.0 ZR, but where is Beckert? It's not on the list because it's negative. And not just barely negative, but disastrously so... -9.8 ZR probably one of the worst of every starting 2B.
You can't really chalk up the difference to a high-K vs a low-K staff because there was only a 50 strikeout difference between their two pitching staffs over the whole season.
To illustrate that point further, Davey Johnson had almost the same range as Millan (5.55 to 5.60), yet his team struck out 130+ more batters than Millan's team, making his chances that less common. And yet he also had a -5.7 ZR. Like Beckert, OOTP has somehow deemed his defensive performance below average.
Here are the average SP Babip for Millan and Beckert's teams:
Beckert 45.1
Millan 50.2
This is a surprise! Beckert had the greatest actual range of fielded balls for 2B (6.25 per 9IP) despite his pitching staff having the worst BABIP of the three staffs! And remember, worse BABIP means more batted balls become hits. And yet OOTP has assigned to him possibly the worst ZR of any 2B.
So maybe the problem is the defensive metrics (your first thought). My 2B has been getting the same treatment as Beckert (negative ZR despite good on-field performance) but I assumed it was because I stockpiled a staff with high BABIP ratings.
Here are their range and turn DP ratings (1-100 scale):
Beckert 54 & 59
Millan 85 & 61
So Millan is clearly rated as the superior defender. And despite their on-field performances, OOTP gives them ZR scores that coincidentally match their ratings.
Without knowing the internal calculation of the ZR and Efficiency stat, I don't know how to investigate this any further.