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Originally Posted by kq76
Lots of good stuff in the replies. I added some to the OP.
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All this is just my personal takes. It's often contradictory, yeah
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Did you mean for one to be with DH and one to be without? Otherwise I don't understand the condition. I do like the point that you want your power bat who doesn't do much else in front of your bad hitters since they won't contribute much anyways.
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Yeah, if there's no DH, then the gap between your regular hitters and your pitcher is massive, so I'd usually put the power bat 8th. If there is a DH, then the gap between talent levels is much smaller, so I'd position my best bad power hitter ideally ahead of wherever in the lineup I feel there's a gap in talent levels. ie. maybe they hit 8th in front of someone who should be platooned, or they go 7th in front of my terrible catcher and defensive SS, etc...
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I'm a bit confused by this as well. And if they don't have power are you putting them somewhere else? I get the feeling you're revisiting the first quoted point, but contradicting it.
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Similar to the point above. Basically in non-DH worlds, my worst hitter (the de facto #8 hitter), if they're someone with no power, just empty singles and walks, I'd often flip them and put them 9th, and then my #7 would be the player with slightly more power. But if my de facto #8 player has some slugging to them, I don't have as much interest in putting them 9th, and would rather keep them 8th.
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True, but you're probably going to have that problem somewhere though, right? Or are you making the point that you greatly prefer empty power bats at the backend of your lineup vs filling it with weak single hitters? If so, I think that's very interesting. Personally, I try to fill out the backend of my lineup with decent hitters who are also great defenders, and usually that means they have less power, which also has the bonus of them usually being cheaper because of the no power. But I definitely see the point that often late in the order you wish you just had a decent shot at leaving the yard with a home run.
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Yeah, I mean everything especially about the 6-8 or 6-9 hitters is entirely situational on your team and situation. That's why nothing in my personal lineup construction is ever set in stone. Sometimes you can easily run into a case where in one lineup setup, someone is your "natural" 8 hitter. But then you add someone else to the mix, and suddenly they shift up to 6th. Or you have someone who fits in like either leadoff or 6th in your lineup - basically if I have enough good players to slip them down in the lineup, that works. But if I am sitting one of my better guys out, maybe they just edge out other guys in OBP and make sense at the top.