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Originally Posted by Samueltbaum

I appreciate all the community has taught thus far.

I may be the only player on OOTP that likes to create a monster of all the best players in the league to wreck havoc (I haven't said this in a while, but I actually played out 10 games and went 10-0 while destroying all comers, I just didn't want to put the time into playing out 30 seasons, simming seems to be where the roll of dice pops up). It would surprise me if I was, and would surprise me even more if people who did play that way didn't lose consistently to terrible teams, while mopping the floor with everyone else. It would be very weird if I was since, a lot of people play it, but I might be. Again, this whole discussion, had nothing to do with changing the game, I didn't even want to adjust setting. I simply wanted to figure out if anybody knew the answer of how to adjust the elaborate game to make the game more structured for my Juggernaut quest.

To this point no developer has come to disprove anything I've stated, and I have explained many different scenarios, tried many things, and sent pictures to back up my findings. without adjusting any settings In OOTP 21 my monsters destroyed the entire league, consistently winning 130 games, even with aging players, while winning the world series and scoring 1300 runs regularly.

In OOTP 24, my 95-105 team won the world series every year, without an entire team of monster. It didn't win as many games, but it won the games that mattered (that was quest 2, not the juggernaut quest). But when I make that team better with more well rounded players in every aspect of the game, higher BA, OBP, Runs, HR, ERA, WHIP, etc, that team wins more games, but struggles against mediocre teams, especially in the playoff. Which leads me to believe that there is some setting in the league that balances the scale more in 24 than in 21, otherwise I would have never posted this whole thing in the first place to help me learn how to fix it. HAHAHAHAHA. I never spend this much time in the game. When I first started finding out answers, one of the responses was something along the lines of "play with the settings, you'll enjoy the game more". That was not the case ahahahahha. I've spent way more time on this game to have success on my quests, than any other game, while never finding an answer of how to stop losing to those terrible teams. I'm not mad, or upset, and I've grown fond of the community with all of their help. I do feel a bit defeated though. Normally I can have 30 hours spent on my juggernaut sim, while accomplishing everything I've wanted. This go around I've spent hundreds, without finding an answer. Again, would love any developer to simply hop on and give an answer. But that may never happen, busy prepping for 25 I'm sure, 24 is yesterdays news.

Like many things in life, there will always be different perspectives. I wouldn't be upset if every other person that plays the game disagrees with me. I've gotten a lot of help, and its helped me understand the game deeper, but still hasn't help fix the previous point of balancing the league.

I think we agreed before that the game is structured to make it more realistic, since this is how most people enjoy to play the game. In order for that to happen, something needs to balance super teams, and each series is "roll the dice". Roll the dice is an element of randomness.

Until anyone can help me understand how fix the fact terrible teams regularly beat my monster, when they don't beat my 95 win team, and why it happens in 24 but not 21. There is not much more for me to continue to discuss as I don't want this to turn into a circular discussion.

I've appreciated all of the help thus far, and how the discussion has stayed peaceful. I've learned a lot, but also spent a lot of time without an answer, which make one feel defeated. That is why I've come to the conclusion that someone posted early on that If I want to create those monster teams OOTP 24 is not the game to do it. I can do it with any of the other of the baseball games I've ever bought instead. Would have rather learned how to do it in 24, but I've given just as much as I can give to make it happen.

I will soon be returning to my outdoorsy, mountain man lifestyle for many months without opening my computer (it is a wonderful thing to be one with nature, if one hasn't tried before I highly recommend). I'll still be on discussion for a little while, but may not play OOTP 24 again. I did overall enjoy my time with it, and enjoyed the community moreso!

Thank you all!

To the first bolded point..

What could a developer do to possibly prove you wrong to your satisfaction? They can tell you there is no under the hood code that tilts the game against your super team, but how does that change your response? Isn't your response still going to be "but v21 I would ...."? Or if a developer says there is no code to tilt the result are you going to take them at their word? I'm not saying this about you, but board history shows that many times a developer has said "the game doesn't work that way" their explanation is dismissed as them covering up the truth, bad code, cheating AI,... take your pick.

The most prevalent of these is the infamous "OOPT has to have two engines", one for those that play out their games and a second for those that simulate. User says "there has to be two", developer responds "there is only one", developer gets the "but.." response. Or in a later thread the user "that knows" posts "The developer says there's only one engine, but it's obvious there is two because I see x,y, and z in my game".

Second bolded point..

Why would reality require a "special code" to balance the game against super teams? Thinking they take the time to code in this "governor" against super teams for the .0001% (?) of players is very similar to thinking they take the time to code two game engines. Why would they create work where it's not needed?

If someone wants to push the engine to extremes, whether by editing ratings like Rain King or getting all of the "best players" who cares if that results in 140+ win seasons and automatic championships? No competent user is going to complain that teams shouldn't win that many games, nor be unbeatable in a playoff series once they know the settings that were used to attain those results. Honestly I'd be disappointed in Matt and Markus if they gave any thought as to "how do we stop super teams?" and then waste valuable coding time to try to make that happen.


In real life the closest thing I can think of to a super team is Manchester City in the English Premiere League. They load up on the best players, but unlike Rain King here, they can't edit those players. IE it's similar to your OOTP team. They lose (not often) and draw (for this team a draw is basically a loss) games against teams they should own. That is reality.

I'll give you credit for providing data and not relying on small sample size. However, thinking reality means a super team should always win is? Well not realistic. If anything, IMHO, your quest shows an improvement along the "reality path" between v21 and v24. What it doesn't show is a "special cheat code" was put in to change the results from 21 to 24. IMHO.

You say you feel defeated in not attaining your goal. You say you could do this in any of the other baseball games you've bought, but not OOTP24. IMHO this speaks volumes about how much better OOTP is than any other baseball game on the market.


It has been a peaceful discussion. Nice to know that can still happen.