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GBL · 03-27-2023, 11:59 AM

Magus978 wrote about whales:

When it comes to the money gap, you have three options...

- Counter with your own money
- Counter with spending lots of time figuring out the angles to make a F2P team successful
- Accept your fate and know your place in the pyramid (maybe a bit harsh, but let's not kid ourselves, that's the reality of P2W gaming)

I would like to look at option 2 "Counter with spending lots of time figuring out the angles to make a F2P team successful". That sounds logical and heroic.

in my league there is a whale. this has 6 players with an overall 100 and 20 players with an overall of 90. so 6 perfekt players and 20 diamond players. but that's not so bad, on his reserver roster the player has 72 other players.
67 diamond, 4 gold and one silver player.

Update: This is wrong.1:150 mean 1:150 per card, not per pack. In this case the player need much lesser packs.
https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=294075
Developer Lukas Berger

wrong: in total, the player has 87 diamond players and 6 perfect players. let's consider only the diamond players. one diamond player can be obtained with 1:150 per pack. so for the player to have 87 diamond players, he should have opened 87*150 = 13,050 packs.
in total, the player has 87 diamond players and 6 perfect players. let's consider only the diamond players. one diamond player can be obtained with 5:150 = 1:30 per pack. so for the player to have 87 diamond players, he should have opened 87*30 = 2610 packs.

one pack costs 1000 PP. this means that the player should have paid 13,050,000 PP (2.610.000 PP with 1:30). 2 million PP is available for $499, the rest can be calculated by yourself, but don't forget the 20% discount for PT+.

i first thought the player had cheated. not so much because of the cost, but because someone must have opened the 13,000 packs! let's say it takes 3 seconds to open a pack, then it takes 39,000 seconds alone - that's almost 11 hours. after that calculation, i knew the player hadn't cheated. he deserves my respect for spending 11 hours of his life pressing a button to open 13.000 packs.

with the 1:30 chance, the player opened 2610 packs in 2 hours (sounds much better :-) ).

at this point the hint. the whale got too few perfect players. the chance is 1:1000, so with almost 13.000 packs the player should have 13 perfect players and not only 6, please check if there is a bug in the software. i think, this is ok. with 5:1000 the player is missing some perfect players ;-)

now we have a basis on which to make the statement to "Counter with spending lots of time figuring out the angles to make a F2P team successful".
A F2P player would therefore have to "somehow" earn 13,000 packs.
Let's assume a player manages to earn 50 free packs a day, then the F2P player would need 13,000/50 = 260 days until he has the packs together.

Thats correct, but the the F2P need only 2620 packs and not 13:000. And with 50 packs a day 2620/50 = 52 days sounds realistic and doable.

Disclaimer:
at this point i would like to point out that i don't want to offend anyone. if someone wants to invest money in PT, that's ok with me. it's also ok with me if someone only plays F2P.
I just wanted to show that a F2P player has no chance against a whale in PT. The whale will play perfect league, the F2P player much further down. Money is the different between whale and F2P, not the skill.

Disclaimer 2:
When two whales play against each other, skill is the deciding factor, since both play with the same resources. Same with F2P players play against each other.

03-27-2023, 11:59 AM	#19
GBL Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 19	Magus978 wrote about whales: When it comes to the money gap, you have three options... - Counter with your own money - Counter with spending lots of time figuring out the angles to make a F2P team successful - Accept your fate and know your place in the pyramid (maybe a bit harsh, but let's not kid ourselves, that's the reality of P2W gaming) I would like to look at option 2 "Counter with spending lots of time figuring out the angles to make a F2P team successful". That sounds logical and heroic. in my league there is a whale. this has 6 players with an overall 100 and 20 players with an overall of 90. so 6 perfekt players and 20 diamond players. but that's not so bad, on his reserver roster the player has 72 other players. 67 diamond, 4 gold and one silver player. Update: This is wrong.1:150 mean 1:150 per card, not per pack. In this case the player need much lesser packs. https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=294075 Developer Lukas Berger wrong: in total, the player has 87 diamond players and 6 perfect players. let's consider only the diamond players. one diamond player can be obtained with 1:150 per pack. so for the player to have 87 diamond players, he should have opened 87150 = 13,050 packs. in total, the player has 87 diamond players and 6 perfect players. let's consider only the diamond players. one diamond player can be obtained with 5:150 = 1:30 per pack. so for the player to have 87 diamond players, he should have opened 8730 = 2610 packs. one pack costs 1000 PP. this means that the player should have paid 13,050,000 PP (2.610.000 PP with 1:30). 2 million PP is available for $499, the rest can be calculated by yourself, but don't forget the 20% discount for PT+. i first thought the player had cheated. not so much because of the cost, but because someone must have opened the 13,000 packs! let's say it takes 3 seconds to open a pack, then it takes 39,000 seconds alone - that's almost 11 hours. after that calculation, i knew the player hadn't cheated. he deserves my respect for spending 11 hours of his life pressing a button to open 13.000 packs. with the 1:30 chance, the player opened 2610 packs in 2 hours (sounds much better :-) ). at this point the hint. the whale got too few perfect players. the chance is 1:1000, so with almost 13.000 packs the player should have 13 perfect players and not only 6, please check if there is a bug in the software. i think, this is ok. with 5:1000 the player is missing some perfect players ;-) now we have a basis on which to make the statement to "Counter with spending lots of time figuring out the angles to make a F2P team successful". A F2P player would therefore have to "somehow" earn 13,000 packs. Let's assume a player manages to earn 50 free packs a day, then the F2P player would need 13,000/50 = 260 days until he has the packs together. Thats correct, but the the F2P need only 2620 packs and not 13:000. And with 50 packs a day 2620/50 = 52 days sounds realistic and doable. Disclaimer: at this point i would like to point out that i don't want to offend anyone. if someone wants to invest money in PT, that's ok with me. it's also ok with me if someone only plays F2P. I just wanted to show that a F2P player has no chance against a whale in PT. The whale will play perfect league, the F2P player much further down. Money is the different between whale and F2P, not the skill. Disclaimer 2: When two whales play against each other, skill is the deciding factor, since both play with the same resources. Same with F2P players play against each other. Last edited by GBL; 03-27-2023 at 05:01 PM.