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Originally Posted by thehef
I was wondering about this. Thanks!
Questions re the PCL guys... What players are included? Basically all of them since the early 1900's thru 2015? Or mostly the notable ones? And for guys who spent significant time in the PCL but also played in other minor leagues, is their full MiLB record included, or just their PCL years?
And re "life long minor leaguers" ... does this mean notable guys who never made The Show, and excludes long-time minor-leaguers who had a cup of coffee in the bigs, or?
An example of both would be Buzz Arlett. I would assume he'd be included as a PCL player since he was a significant one over several years, but he also spent time in the Int'l League, American Assoc, and Southern Lg. Are his IL, AA, and SL years included? In addition, he would be included as an MLBer due to his single season (1931) in the bigs, but would he also be included - minor league stats, that is - as a life-long minor-leaguer, even though technically he wasn't a minor-league-only player? (Arlett is an obvious example, but there are lesser-known guys who share similar scenarios.)
Thanks in advance!
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Use the link in my sig, for specific examples. Word to the wise though. You can get lost in there. Grab the Spritze18 DB. It has the better master file, whereas 19 was the final edition. I always suggest that you grab both. 18 for the Master file, and 19 for the DB, itself.
I would think by PCL, Spritze was talking about the league where the DiMaggio brothers, and Ted Williams started out, and not the more modern iteration, where the big three (Oakland edition) polished off their minor league careers, before heading to the show.
As for other players, ole Spritze even gave the older 1871 guys, the pre-1871 treatment. I'm not sure if all of their stats (real, and Spritzeified) are in there, but I know he takes their debut dates back quite a bit. Not sure how far he takes Harry Wright (36 on his 1871 debut), or Dickey Pearce (debuted on his 35th birthday), but I know I've seen debuts in there, earlier than 1871. Word of caution on that though. OOTP might not like pre-1871, or (in the case of OOTP23) post-2021 debuts. That might piss the game's import system off. I know you can't go post-2021, but I'm not sure about pre-1871.
I think the numbers that he used for non-MLBers were kind of guestimates for how they would've done in MLB. Like MLB Equivalencies or something. The stuff he did with the numbers in there, was way beyond my comprehension, but it is, bar none, the best way (currently) to include NeL players. I've enjoyed the results I've seen from the likes of Josh Gibson, Burnis Wright, Leon Day, Ted "Double Duty" Radcliffe, and on, and on. I was using these guys back in OOTP16, and it was a ton of fun. I'll see if I can gather up some screenshots for you. I had a 63 season saved game in OOTP16, and a 35 season saved game in OOTP21. Both Random Debut games. Used a random number generator to determine who came in, so it wasn't always stars. Sometimes, it was nobodies. I did that to keep my Random Debut from getting too top heavy. I prefer a well balanced game, so I don't mind getting the lesser knowns, and even the unknowns.
When you got a guy that had a FaceGen from the Spritze DB, you knew you were getting somebody special, even if you hadn't heard of him. Burnis Wright was one of those for me. Lemme see what I can dig up. Don't want to spend too much time on it, or it'll be a bit of a rabbit hole, that I don't emerge from until 2 AM, if you get my drift.
As for life long minor leaguers, yeah, I'm talking about guys who beat around the minor league bushes, but never got a shot in the show. I would think their minor league numbers would be translated to MLB equivalencies. The ones who did get a shot in the show would come in with the normal Lahman ID, and with Spritze they'd be taken back to 18. I don't think they all are though. A mind boggling achievement when you stop, and think about it.
I know he did that for the Asian leagues, because I saw a lot of them in my games. When Hideki Matsui arrived in the 1905 ammy draft (always start in 1901, and go from there), of my OOTP21 RD game, I knew I wanted to use his Japanese numbers, or at least Spritze' interpretation of them, so I deleted the regular Hideki, and imported the Spritze Hideki. Screenshot below. I've voted for him every year for the HoF, but the AI doesn't agree with me. Ah well. Such is life.
Don't be alarmed by the HR totals during the deadball era. Every season is 1984 in the Action Jackson's Historical Random Debut World, in terms of statistical output. It allows a guy like Home Run Baker to compete with a Barry Bonds, or a Mark McGwire for HR titles. It ain't the Deadball Era, and it ain't the Juiced Ball Era, but something in between. With a wild and wacky amount of stolen bases. 1984 featured 4.26 R/G across MLB, which I'm good with. Like I said, somewhere between Deadball, and Crazyball, with the basepaths literally set ablaze.