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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr
I'm with you on DJ Moore's selfish act. But the kicker still deserves as much the blame.
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The kicker absolutely deserves blame, but it's a different kind of blame. But part of the core of sports is that often players try hard and still fail. There's no real comparison of Moore's contribution to the loss and the kicker's. Piniero was trying to win the game and did nothing selfish and intentional to contribute to his team's loss. The same cannot be said of Moore.
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I'm surprised the Panthers haven't posted an ad on Indeed.com yet.
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Agree. I'm also surprised the team hasn't fined Moore.
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Today, white QB's are doing the gritty, Eagles WR's are stomping the yard & every defender is posing in the end zone post turnover. We should now be beyond thinking showing your face after a score is the sign of the denigration of our society. Let's grow up. The "servants use the back entrance" mentality maintained by the wealthy needs to be abolished. The helmet rule DJ Moore was flagged for needs to be taken out of the rulebook.
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I suppose I'd like to see a middle ground here. Personally, I like to see honest & spontaneous displays of joy, celebrating with teammates and so forth. I do not, however, like to see all the "look at me, I'm a badass" stuff. The angry, "show me respect" poses that dominate the NBA and have also infested the NFL are particularly odious, IMO. I'm neither 100% for or against penalties for this behavior, but as I said: Middle ground. I'd prefer to see an evolution to where some players show that enthusiasm & joy that I mentioned, but also approach it from the perspective of "ya, I expected to do that because I've done it before, and I plan to do it again, so I'm going to quickly celebrate by hugging & high-fiving my teammates and maybe acknowledge the crowd, and then get back to work." (I fully realize that there are many who LOVE the choreographed stuff, and who also love the angry "I'm a badass stuff." Not everyone see it as classless sign of the times, like I do... And some of the choreographed stuff I actually like, I'll admit... most happy & silly celebrations that go along with smiles, rather than angry poses, are cool by me.)
As for the helmet rule itself, I'll plagiarize & edit what you wrote in the "who's the HR record-holder" thread:
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The issue isn't whether [the helmet rule should exist or not].
The issue is [the helmet rule is in place].
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Moore should not be excused because one disagrees with the rule (and I'm not saying you are making that claim). Moore knew the rule, selfishly broke it, and cost his team.
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Meanwhile, the owners of the shield were/are Robert Kraft, Jim Irsay, Jerry Jones, Dan Snyder, Ed Debartalo, Jimmy Haslem & Jerry Richardson.
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I don't think that the low bar set by some owners should be an excuse for promoting classless on-the-field behavior by players. Although I realize that some don't see the angry & selfish stuff as being classless. As with many things, YMMV
