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jimmysthebestcop · 06-16-2022, 06:04 PM

Another thing about trade logic is it cant handle the Rule 5 draft. Probably because the AI cant handle the 40 man roster. They opt to protect younger players who have no current ability where the AI/Human wouldnt wast a spot on the active roster for them. Instead of protecting players who are either starter or bench mlb ready.

Then you can literally draft a handful to dozen rule 5 guys and trade them. The AI wont draft them but they will trade for them???? Then they might not even make it through spring training on the active roster. So they go back to the original team but the human can scam prospects.

Not to mention if you trade players on the date of the rule 5 the AI doesnt have a turn to add them to the 40 man. So you can trade them and redraft them and repeat. Its absolutely bonkers.

The AI also cant handle finances of contracts which impacts trading. You can scam AI players to take 3 year deals with 2 years being team options. Over pay them for those 2 years and give them a huge buy out. With low 1st year. If they are a star player every "win now" team will want them and give up prospects.

But even if its a normal 3 year contract with 2 year team options at fair market price its incredibly easy to trade those players especially if you pay for their 1st year.

AI has no shot at managing finances. While even a bad human player can. So you can just manage finances better sign the top free agents then trade them for prospects. Sure it costs you money that 1st year but its childs play to handle finances for the human.

I think a lot of OOTP users focus on the sim engine and the numbers. But honestly even with all the improvements there its barely noticeable since ootp 17 unless you are a huge numbers nerd. OOTPd pretty much has the sim/stats down its like a dog chasing its tale.

Do you really need 100% accuracy if it takes a bunch of dev work while 80% accuracy is probably just as realistic for a majority of players?

I just dont think a lot of ootp users focus on the problems AI, finances, trades, rule 5, 40 man rosters create. And its mostly because the finances model in game is a total fail.

Another examples is owners control budget. Well mostly all of the owners make the budget and some by 10's of millions. Why have that option is the majority of owners act a like? It might be needed for the human player but it actually effects the AI. The last thing the AI needs is LESS money.

Look I love OOTP. And it excels at on the field, managing the game and the stats. But honestly outside of that it is actually borderline unplayable. But maybe since PT and managing the games is important to most users that the user base doesnt understand just how completely broken OOTP is? And everything I point out has existed since OOTP 18. That is 5 years of development time.

PT has gotten better, the sim engine better, managing games, some quality of life but the AI GM/Owner cannot handle the financial model and it breaks almost everything from a GM management experience of the game.

I swear I remember playing Baseball Mogul 2 decades ago and it had a better financial model.

Ok another thing to point out. INT AMA FREE AGENTS. Literally just offer 5 million to the best player 1st and you get him 100%. Its been this way since the MLB had the 5 million max and OOTP changed to meet MLB rules.

You can immediately promote that player to Rookie ball he will be a top 10 prospect and on any trade setting you can get a top player who can actually start in the MLB. While that INT AMA is at least 5 years away if everything goes 100% correctly. Which it almost never does.

Sorry but OOTP isnt even in the same dimension as FM finances. Sure a good quality user can eventually take any team to #1 money maker in the FM world but its not through faulty AI or loopholes or weird gamey stuff. It is usually because the user has to sink a crazy amount of real world time into scouting, finding players, training them and selling them creating a player farm. And it is really only easy in England cause the league makes so much money. Try doing it in say denmark. IT will probably take you 3 decades of game time before you are a world class team.

So even if its so called "easy" for good users most normal users wont do it cause it takes crazy amount of time.

OOTP its easy, has loopholes and take no time.

06-16-2022, 06:04 PM	#75
jimmysthebestcop Banned Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 1,728 Infractions: 0/2 (5)	Another thing about trade logic is it cant handle the Rule 5 draft. Probably because the AI cant handle the 40 man roster. They opt to protect younger players who have no current ability where the AI/Human wouldnt wast a spot on the active roster for them. Instead of protecting players who are either starter or bench mlb ready. Then you can literally draft a handful to dozen rule 5 guys and trade them. The AI wont draft them but they will trade for them???? Then they might not even make it through spring training on the active roster. So they go back to the original team but the human can scam prospects. Not to mention if you trade players on the date of the rule 5 the AI doesnt have a turn to add them to the 40 man. So you can trade them and redraft them and repeat. Its absolutely bonkers. The AI also cant handle finances of contracts which impacts trading. You can scam AI players to take 3 year deals with 2 years being team options. Over pay them for those 2 years and give them a huge buy out. With low 1st year. If they are a star player every "win now" team will want them and give up prospects. But even if its a normal 3 year contract with 2 year team options at fair market price its incredibly easy to trade those players especially if you pay for their 1st year. AI has no shot at managing finances. While even a bad human player can. So you can just manage finances better sign the top free agents then trade them for prospects. Sure it costs you money that 1st year but its childs play to handle finances for the human. I think a lot of OOTP users focus on the sim engine and the numbers. But honestly even with all the improvements there its barely noticeable since ootp 17 unless you are a huge numbers nerd. OOTPd pretty much has the sim/stats down its like a dog chasing its tale. Do you really need 100% accuracy if it takes a bunch of dev work while 80% accuracy is probably just as realistic for a majority of players? I just dont think a lot of ootp users focus on the problems AI, finances, trades, rule 5, 40 man rosters create. And its mostly because the finances model in game is a total fail. Another examples is owners control budget. Well mostly all of the owners make the budget and some by 10's of millions. Why have that option is the majority of owners act a like? It might be needed for the human player but it actually effects the AI. The last thing the AI needs is LESS money. Look I love OOTP. And it excels at on the field, managing the game and the stats. But honestly outside of that it is actually borderline unplayable. But maybe since PT and managing the games is important to most users that the user base doesnt understand just how completely broken OOTP is? And everything I point out has existed since OOTP 18. That is 5 years of development time. PT has gotten better, the sim engine better, managing games, some quality of life but the AI GM/Owner cannot handle the financial model and it breaks almost everything from a GM management experience of the game. I swear I remember playing Baseball Mogul 2 decades ago and it had a better financial model. Ok another thing to point out. INT AMA FREE AGENTS. Literally just offer 5 million to the best player 1st and you get him 100%. Its been this way since the MLB had the 5 million max and OOTP changed to meet MLB rules. You can immediately promote that player to Rookie ball he will be a top 10 prospect and on any trade setting you can get a top player who can actually start in the MLB. While that INT AMA is at least 5 years away if everything goes 100% correctly. Which it almost never does. Sorry but OOTP isnt even in the same dimension as FM finances. Sure a good quality user can eventually take any team to #1 money maker in the FM world but its not through faulty AI or loopholes or weird gamey stuff. It is usually because the user has to sink a crazy amount of real world time into scouting, finding players, training them and selling them creating a player farm. And it is really only easy in England cause the league makes so much money. Try doing it in say denmark. IT will probably take you 3 decades of game time before you are a world class team. So even if its so called "easy" for good users most normal users wont do it cause it takes crazy amount of time. OOTP its easy, has loopholes and take no time.