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erickdamac · 11-13-2003, 06:52 AM

All of you make great points, (Including you wild) But me bein a Ali fan i think no one can beat him. lol, but im goin to step away from that and be a BOXING fan.

Ali-liston 1, Lets face this fight was suppose to be a easy fight, liston was not OLD, i mean sure he was 32 but he just came off some of his most imprissve victories, You had this loud talking black man vs, this soft spokin sort of ******ed who blacks didn't thinl represented them well, Young ali came along he was this man talking to people while rolling in his bus telling people that liston is dumb and he is a bum and all of this, Most writters said liston will beat this guy, I believe some people at the time (Not that i live doing that time) Had liston greater then jack johnson, My Gran-uncle had this article or megazine about a fight vs, johnson.

I remember reading it like 6 years ago it had the fight starting out with johnson jumping forward with his 6ft leap then quickly jumping backward with his 6ft leap, LOL When i read it i didn't know what they was saying but now i do. And then in the 6 liston gets mad after jack jumped back again and just start running towards him hit him with a jab that wobble johnson, then he hit him with a 1 to down go johnson and then, they said liston did that til the 14 round when johnson corner decides he had enough. After that i realized how big liston was at the time he was like a god to boxing people thought no one could beat him, NO ONE. I mean the book mad his jab seem like it could break through a steal wall, Even if he punched it underwater.

So when ali beated liston thats why he said he is the greatest because people didn't think he could be defeated. Then i understood why it was such a big thing i always thought lisdton was a ok fighter who was strong never knew people looked at him like that. The first fight was pure legit liston tried, ali SHOWED his heart by fighting through the eye burning pain and liston quit because of a shouldeR? That really made him look bad, Ali jus put a whoopin on him. Pit i have to disagree with you the ali who stepped in the ring might have been the fastest ali, but he wasn't the best, or the quickest, he might had the deffence but he wasn't as better as Ali.

Ali-liston 2, This fight is known for the unknown, Well i watch espn classics ever tuesday (Boxing classics) and they went over liston career like 3 weeks ago and he had so they went over his life on sportcentury, And his wife said she dont think he threw the fight because when she asked him he said no, BUT a man who wrote a book on him and talked to him 4weeks before his death said when he asked him he said ok Liston tell me did u throw the damn fight? And he said liston said hey he hit me with a good punch and he hit my timp, I was alittle off balance head was low and i feel and then i said hell he is crazy why should i get up. People can say what they want about this fight, the point is that if he gave up thats not ali fault. Ali beat him the first time, Liston took a dive he took a dive, Ali trainer said the best punch and the punch that heart you the most is the one you dont see, And if u look at it (You can get the punch from kazaa) You will see it in slow motion its a punch that him him right on the timp. Do i think it knocked him out nooooo.

Just thought to throw in my two cents, And IMO The ali from 1973-1976 is the best ali. But hey we never know what could of been the best cuz he was out of boxing 3years.

11-13-2003, 06:52 AM	#35
erickdamac All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,592	All of you make great points, (Including you wild) But me bein a Ali fan i think no one can beat him. lol, but im goin to step away from that and be a BOXING fan. Ali-liston 1, Lets face this fight was suppose to be a easy fight, liston was not OLD, i mean sure he was 32 but he just came off some of his most imprissve victories, You had this loud talking black man vs, this soft spokin sort of ******ed who blacks didn't thinl represented them well, Young ali came along he was this man talking to people while rolling in his bus telling people that liston is dumb and he is a bum and all of this, Most writters said liston will beat this guy, I believe some people at the time (Not that i live doing that time) Had liston greater then jack johnson, My Gran-uncle had this article or megazine about a fight vs, johnson. I remember reading it like 6 years ago it had the fight starting out with johnson jumping forward with his 6ft leap then quickly jumping backward with his 6ft leap, LOL When i read it i didn't know what they was saying but now i do. And then in the 6 liston gets mad after jack jumped back again and just start running towards him hit him with a jab that wobble johnson, then he hit him with a 1 to down go johnson and then, they said liston did that til the 14 round when johnson corner decides he had enough. After that i realized how big liston was at the time he was like a god to boxing people thought no one could beat him, NO ONE. I mean the book mad his jab seem like it could break through a steal wall, Even if he punched it underwater. So when ali beated liston thats why he said he is the greatest because people didn't think he could be defeated. Then i understood why it was such a big thing i always thought lisdton was a ok fighter who was strong never knew people looked at him like that. The first fight was pure legit liston tried, ali SHOWED his heart by fighting through the eye burning pain and liston quit because of a shouldeR? That really made him look bad, Ali jus put a whoopin on him. Pit i have to disagree with you the ali who stepped in the ring might have been the fastest ali, but he wasn't the best, or the quickest, he might had the deffence but he wasn't as better as Ali. Ali-liston 2, This fight is known for the unknown, Well i watch espn classics ever tuesday (Boxing classics) and they went over liston career like 3 weeks ago and he had so they went over his life on sportcentury, And his wife said she dont think he threw the fight because when she asked him he said no, BUT a man who wrote a book on him and talked to him 4weeks before his death said when he asked him he said ok Liston tell me did u throw the damn fight? And he said liston said hey he hit me with a good punch and he hit my timp, I was alittle off balance head was low and i feel and then i said hell he is crazy why should i get up. People can say what they want about this fight, the point is that if he gave up thats not ali fault. Ali beat him the first time, Liston took a dive he took a dive, Ali trainer said the best punch and the punch that heart you the most is the one you dont see, And if u look at it (You can get the punch from kazaa) You will see it in slow motion its a punch that him him right on the timp. Do i think it knocked him out nooooo. Just thought to throw in my two cents, And IMO The ali from 1973-1976 is the best ali. But hey we never know what could of been the best cuz he was out of boxing 3years.