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11-13-2003, 12:32 AM

I never saw any clips of Liston, other than his fights against Ali and Patterson. But those four fights raise lots of questions in my mind.

First, Ali/Liston 2, the "phantom punch". There's no way Ali's punch should have knocked Liston out. Ali was not that big a hitter and Liston had a great chin. I believed it was bullsh*t at the time and I still feel the same way.

Second, Ali/Liston 1. I don't believe for a second that Liston quit because he hurt his shoulder. Was there ever any proof presented that Liston actually incurred that injury? Again, bullsh*t all the way, in my opinion.

Third, the 2 Liston/Patterson fights were also very, very questionable. Patterson was a good fighter. In every fight other than the Liston fight, Patterson constantly moved in and out, the classic boxer puncher. However, Patterson made no effort to box Liston, but simply traded punch for punch until he was KO'd. I honestly think that the fix was in for Patterson to deliberately fail to use his boxing skills and get knocked out in the first round. It's no coincidence that the KO times were almost identical.

Does anyone else see all 4 four fights as being highly, highly questionable?

11-13-2003, 12:32 AM	#32
60'sfan Guest Posts: n/a	I never saw any clips of Liston, other than his fights against Ali and Patterson. But those four fights raise lots of questions in my mind. First, Ali/Liston 2, the "phantom punch". There's no way Ali's punch should have knocked Liston out. Ali was not that big a hitter and Liston had a great chin. I believed it was bullsht at the time and I still feel the same way. Second, Ali/Liston 1. I don't believe for a second that Liston quit because he hurt his shoulder. Was there ever any proof presented that Liston actually incurred that injury? Again, bullsht all the way, in my opinion. Third, the 2 Liston/Patterson fights were also very, very questionable. Patterson was a good fighter. In every fight other than the Liston fight, Patterson constantly moved in and out, the classic boxer puncher. However, Patterson made no effort to box Liston, but simply traded punch for punch until he was KO'd. I honestly think that the fix was in for Patterson to deliberately fail to use his boxing skills and get knocked out in the first round. It's no coincidence that the KO times were almost identical. Does anyone else see all 4 four fights as being highly, highly questionable? Last edited by 60'sfan; 11-13-2003 at 01:38 AM.