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Originally Posted by BirdWatcher
Fair enough.
And I get that one of the great things about OOTP is that it is very flexible, allowing for many different ways of playing the game and to personalize the experience.
But as you yourself indicated here, it does require that you do some fairly significant manipulation to the basic settings of the game to get it to perform more, let's say, Strat-O-Matic-like. Essentially it requires that you strip it of much of what is at the core of the game experience. And if that is the flavor you prefer, I'm all for that. You are clearly someone who has found ways to make the game/program work for your tastes and I have always found you to be a great communicator of the joy you receive from playing OOTP your way.
I would just argue that many of the people who lodge vehement criticisms of OOTP and back those up with comparisons to games like DMB, SOM, etc., are making an unfair and irrelevant comparison. Unlike you, they don't seem to get that OOTP is not a direct comparable, or competitor to, those games. In my estimation you have made a perfectly logical decision that many of the aspects of the game that make OOTP a sports management simulation game, that, from my perspective, make OOTP OOTP, aren't for you and you have found a sweet spot for playing the game in a way that emphasizes those portions of the game that are more directly comparable to these other games. But I think you completely are aware of the primary focus and intention of OOTP while deciding that you can do without a great deal of what that entails.
And I should say that I never intended to make any judgement on how well OOTP actually simulates historical statistical realities as I have no interest in playing OOTP in this manner. But I'm glad to hear that for those who do choose to it does a good job of that as well.
It does seem though like the evidence from many of the posts here in this forum that there are people who come to OOTP wanting it to be a more cost effective direct replacement for Strat or Diamond Mind, etc, and then get quickly very frustrated and negative and to my mind this is a matter of them having a misunderstanding of what OOTP is and while I don't mean to over-sell the argument that you can't play OOTP in a fashion that is similar to these other games (you obviously have found ways to do so) I just think we need to be more clear that at its core OOTP is not the same type of game those games are, even if you can customize it to get to much the same resulting game experience.
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Just fast simmed 1972. Real lineups/real transactions. Coaching turned off. Development turned off. Injuries are off, but since real transactions are in effect, real Injuries are in effect. 1 year recalc and league set up as a single season replay.
AL East Winner is the Detroit Tigers, finishing with a 86-70 record. Guess what? In 1972 the Tigers won the East with a 86-70 record. Now the AL West went a little haywire. The Kansas City Royals won 98 games and the division. The NL East was won the by the Pittsburgh Pirates with a 94-61 record. The real life Pirates also won the East, but in real life they had a 96-59 record. The Cincinnati Reds won the OOTP NL West with a 88-66 record. The real life Reds won the West as well, but won 95 wins with 59 losses.
Rod Carew won the AL Batting title in 1972 hitting .318. Lou Piniella hit .312, Dick Allen hit .308 and Carlos May hit .308. In OOTP Carew also won the batting title, but did so hitting .350. Dick Allen was 2nd and hit .330 followed by Carlos May hitting .327. So the averages were higher, but other than Piniella the names are the same.
Billy Williams won the NL batting title in 72 hitting .333. Billy Williams won the NL batting title hitting .338.
The NL homerun leader was Johnny Bench with 40. OOTP's 72 leader was Hank Aaron with 44(34 in real life). Bench hit 42 to come in second. Dave Kingman came in 3rd in the OOTP season hitting 40(29 in real life). In real life Nate Colbert came in second in the NL hitting 38. Colbert hit 36 in the OOTP replay. Billy Williams came in 3rd in real life with 37 bombs. He hit 39 in the OOTP replay.
The AL Top 4 home run hitters in real life were Allen 37, Murcer 33, Killebrew and Epstein with 26. In OOTP Bobby Murcer led with 38, followed by Allen with 37 and Epstein with 33. Killebrew hit 24.
Dick Allen led the AL in RBI with 113. Dick Allen led the OOTP AL with 112.
Johnny Bench led the real NL with 125 RBI. Johnny Bench led the OOTP NL with 138. Billy Williams came in second in both real life and OOTP life. Real life he drove in 122. OOTP 125
I want to get back to playing my actual league, but as you can see that's quite impressive.