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Originally Posted by andyhdz
Here is what I do:
1. Current player plays well enough that I want to extend him.
2. I open up negotiations
3. He wants so much money that I laugh in his face and offer him what I think he will go for in the open market minus a few bucks.
4. He laughs at my face.
5. I break off negotiations and dont' make him a second offer.
6. He goes to the open market.
7. If another team wants him he'll sign for way over what I think he's worth. Vaya con dios.
8. If he's not getting the offers he wants he'll sometimes come back to me hat in hand wanting to open up negotiations.
9. At that point I can sign him for what I originally offered.
If you dont' make him an initial offer and just wait and see what happens you probably won't get him and he'll sign for much less with another team even when you try and jump in.
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this right here... timing is everything due to how it works. if you submit an offer when demand is high or possibly when extension demand is too high, you get stuck at that level in their eyes. anything less is offensive to them. 1:1 relationship at one time, assume still.
this 'variable' should clear out if they rot on market for a long period, imo. or at least could offer a bit more than others and still sign them, even if not as much as original.. still should be about competition... a tax for the earlier indiscretion, sure, but not a stone wall. afterall it is driven by greed. that boston red sox SS signing ~5? years ago in june is parallel. he took less than original offer from same team long after initial negotiations and ramifications of reality set in as he continued to not be signed lol... 1 offer shouldn't exclude you later if it is a drastically different amount of money. should be easy to qualify in a few ways.
the risk is they sign in meantime.
not sure if there is a disconnect between offering an extension vs an offer in FA setting the expectation long-term?... been a while. may 'reset' in this context? otherwise, don't submit an extension offer above what you think you'll pay in FA... unlikely to do so anyway, lol.
if you set max cash on hand to unlimited.. in a few years extensions skyrocket and FA costs remain normal or reduced due to excess extension costs. FA start with huge demands... and 2 months later they drop down to reality. if you submit an offer early, even if rejected, you can't sign them later.. 1:1 at that time... once i realized the dynamic, never changed default of 10M max on hand again, lol. can really take advantage of AI's inefficient spending by comparison. they don't know to never extend and always wait for cost to drop in FA.