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Originally Posted by kriscolic
It would be extremely hard for, say, me. But yes, I'd say that I think it's something that a great many major league baseball players can do competently. I don't think that Yadi Molina would trip over second base and fall to the ground on a regular basis. I don't think that Pete Alonso is incapable of throwing the ball 90 feet quickly and accurately. I don't think that any big leaguer would run away in fear at the sight of a runner sliding toward them (at least when runners were allowed to do so). But I have no data to support that, just as you have no data to refute it.
You got it. Imagine a league where the average player hits 15 HR/500 AB. If the best player can hit 60 HR that's a very valuable skill. Now imagine a league where the average player hits 3 HR and the best player hits 7. Those 4 extra homers are worth something, but, on the whole, home run hitting in such a league would not be an especially valuable skill. My intuition is that DP skill is far closer to my second imaginary league than to the first. But I have no data to support that, just as you have no data to refute it.
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I absolutely get the notion that double plays aren't that valuable on the whole, which is a reason I tested the player there in the first place. But, generally in OOTP a minimal skill rating means a player doesn't really have that skill, at least is so bad at it you cannot expect them to perform it. I'd just like that double play rating to fall within those general guidelines. If it doesn't, then I prefer it keyed off of other ratings since it doesn't really mean much and doesn't fall in line with what we generally expect on the ratings scale.
For example in your fictional world where home runs aren't valuable, would you expect players with minimal power to be hitting 2 or 3 home runs, regardless of how valuable HR are. I would not, because I would expect the ratings to still mean something, even if the stat they are representing does not.
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Originally Posted by Garlon
As for the issue of these players who have no business at 2B and still turning double plays, is this really an issue when these players are going to end up with like a 0.75 defensive efficiency and miss 100 grounders and end up -70 defensive runs for the season? Please post their defensive runs and defensive efficiency from these results.
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I did that study, and the reason it was done was to address one question: Are double plays the result of ratings besides the double play? I think the answer was pretty definitively no, or at least not enough to make a significant/noticeable change in the numbers. I did this because people questioned Furious's results because the players in the study all had other "good 2B skills." So, in my study, players with bad 2B skills still turned a double plays at the rate of a player with good 2B skills.
That means you can still reasonably put a fielder who has other solid ratings at 2B and not worry about the double play. I had previously thought these players should have been stuck at 3B or even 1B.