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Old 10-25-2003, 01:51 PM   #1
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Flashback Baseball League HoF Advice

I am having a hard time believing that Bugs Raymond deserves to be in the Flashback League Hall of Fame. So far this league has run from 1903-1925 and I have lowered the ERA requirement to a career 3.00 ERA and 250 wins for acceptance, but 300 wins also gets you in. Bugs managed to win 301 games in his 21 year career with the Philadelphia Philles, retiring at age 42. Here are his career numbers:

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<P><B><FONT SIZE='+2'>Pitching</FONT></B>&nbsp;&nbsp;<PRE> Year Ag Tm   W   L   G   GS  CG SHO SV   IP     H   ER   HR  BB   SO   ERA
+-----------+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+---+----+----+-----+
 1904 22 <A HREF='../teams/PHI/1904.htm'>PHI</A>  17  12  32  30  26   3  0  265.0  223   90   0   73  104  3.06
 1905 23 <A HREF='../teams/PHI/1905.htm'>PHI</A>  10   4  17  17  12   1  0  150.0  106   35   0   61   66  2.10
 1906 24 <A HREF='../teams/PHI/1906.htm'>PHI</A>  20  17  38  38  34   4  0  321.1  270   91   3  108  151  2.55
 1907 25 <A HREF='../teams/PHI/1907.htm'>PHI</A>  21  14  38  38  33   5  0  344.0  254   84   3  156  115  2.20
 1908 26 <A HREF='../teams/PHI/1908.htm'>PHI</A>  14  11  26  26  24   2  0  222.1  173   67   1  101  105  2.71
 1909 27 <A HREF='../teams/PHI/1909.htm'>PHI</A>  13  18  33  33  26   0  0  278.1  225   83   2  118  120  2.69
 1910 28 <A HREF='../teams/PHI/1910.htm'>PHI</A>  18  11  35  35  25   1  0  286.0  229   88   5  153  124  2.77
 1911 29 <A HREF='../teams/PHI/1911.htm'>PHI</A>  15  14  32  32  27   3  0  267.0  245  108   7  148  110  3.64
 1912 30 <A HREF='../teams/PHI/1912.htm'>PHI</A>  15  10  28  28  23   3  0  242.2  195   97   5  128  115  3.60
 1913 31 <A HREF='../teams/PHI/1913.htm'>PHI</A>  17  11  32  32  26   1  0  273.1  237   95   4  145  128  3.13
 1914 32 <A HREF='../teams/PHI/1914.htm'>PHI</A>  13  16  37  37  28   1  0  311.0  271  118   2  158  140  3.41
 1915 33 <A HREF='../teams/PHI/1915.htm'>PHI</A>  10  13  30  30  21   2  0  234.1  189   94   6  129   87  3.61
 1916 34 <A HREF='../teams/PHI/1916.htm'>PHI</A>  13  15  32  31  26   2  0  259.1  237  111   5  146  119  3.86
 1917 35 <A HREF='../teams/PHI/1917.htm'>PHI</A>  16  17  36  36  31   4  0  309.1  266   95   5  153  109  2.77
 1918 36 <A HREF='../teams/PHI/1918.htm'>PHI</A>  17  12  31  31  27   1  0  259.2  221  104   1  147   91  3.61
 1919 37 <A HREF='../teams/PHI/1919.htm'>PHI</A>  16  13  32  32  26   2  0  272.2  256  110   4  116   87  3.64
 1920 38 <A HREF='../teams/PHI/1920.htm'>PHI</A>  17  15  35  35  30   4  0  301.0  272  108   6  130   77  3.23
 1921 39 <A HREF='../teams/PHI/1921.htm'>PHI</A>  12  16  33  33  22   1  0  267.1  301  138  11  145   70  4.65
 1922 40 <A HREF='../teams/PHI/1922.htm'>PHI</A>  13  20  39  39  26   1  0  304.2  305  140   7  183   84  4.14
 1923 41 <A HREF='../teams/PHI/1923.htm'>PHI</A>  13  11  32  29  19   1  0  221.0  232  102   3  134   52  4.15
 1924 42 <A HREF='../teams/PHI/1924.htm'>PHI</A>   1   1  11   0   0   0  1   20.2   27   14   1   10    2  6.24
+-----------+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+---+----+----+-----+
 21 Yr Car   301 271 659 642 512  42  1 5406.8 4734 1972  81 2642 2056  3.28
+-----------+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+---+----+----+-----+
Career High   21  20  39  39  34   5  1  344.0  305  140  11  183  151  2.10
+-----------+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+---+----+----+-----+
Current HoF pitchers:

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<!--Hall of Fame Pitchers-->
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<tr><td class="statshead" colspan=15>Pitchers&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span class="statssubhead"><a href="../glossary/pitglossary.html">Help</a></span></td></tr>
<tr><td class="statssubhead" colspan=15>Stats include all major league years.</td></tr>
<tr class="colheader" align="right">
<td align="left">Player</td>
<td align="left">From-To</td>
<td>W</td>
<td>L</td>
<td>Pct</td>
<td>ERA</td>
<td>G</td>
<td>CG</td>
<td>SHO</td>
<td>SV</td>
<td>IP</td>
<td>H</td>
<td>ER</td>
<td>BB</td>
<td>SO</td>
</tr>
<tr class="oddlinestats" align="right">
<td align="left"><a href="d/dinneebill506.html">Bill Dinneen</a></td>
<td align="left">1898-1914</td>
<td>281</td>
<td>236</td>
<td>.544</td>
<td>2.88</td>
<td>566</td>
<td>480</td>
<td>34</td>
<td>1</td>
<td>4754.3</td>
<td>4453</td>
<td>1524</td>
<td>1301</td>
<td>1921</td>
</tr>
<tr class="evenlinestats" align="right">
<td align="left"><a href="g/grifficlark975.html">Clark Griffith</a></td>
<td align="left">1892-1910</td>
<td>325</td>
<td>264</td>
<td>.552</td>
<td>3.39</td>
<td>648</td>
<td>543</td>
<td>33</td>
<td>2</td>
<td>5352.0</td>
<td>5701</td>
<td>2014</td>
<td>1240</td>
<td>1642</td>
</tr>
<tr class="oddlinestats" align="right">
<td align="left"><a href="h/hahnnoodle388.html">Noodles Hahn</a></td>
<td align="left">1899-1916</td>
<td>287</td>
<td>287</td>
<td>.500</td>
<td>2.89</td>
<td>626</td>
<td>513</td>
<td>38</td>
<td>2</td>
<td>5260.6</td>
<td>5144</td>
<td>1687</td>
<td>1191</td>
<td>2318</td>
</tr>
<tr class="evenlinestats" align="right">
<td align="left"><a href="j/jossaddie966.html">Addie Joss</a></td>
<td align="left">1902-1917</td>
<td>253</td>
<td>230</td>
<td>.524</td>
<td>2.79</td>
<td>523</td>
<td>444</td>
<td>44</td>
<td>0</td>
<td>4447.6</td>
<td>4063</td>
<td>1380</td>
<td>946</td>
<td>1988</td>
</tr>
<tr class="oddlinestats" align="right">
<td align="left"><a href="k/krohrube931.html">Rube Kroh</a></td>
<td align="left">1906-1923</td>
<td>354</td>
<td>227</td>
<td>.609</td>
<td>2.52</td>
<td>633</td>
<td>539</td>
<td>62</td>
<td>0</td>
<td>5434.6</td>
<td>4351</td>
<td>1523</td>
<td>1621</td>
<td>2395</td>
</tr>
<tr class="evenlinestats" align="right">
<td align="left"><a href="m/mathewchrist904.html">Christy Mathewson</a></td>
<td align="left">1900-1918</td>
<td>317</td>
<td>267</td>
<td>.543</td>
<td>2.93</td>
<td>631</td>
<td>545</td>
<td>49</td>
<td>2</td>
<td>5362.9</td>
<td>5281</td>
<td>1744</td>
<td>1137</td>
<td>2945</td>
</tr>
<tr class="oddlinestats" align="right">
<td align="left"><a href="m/mcquilgeorge455.html">George Mcquillan</a></td>
<td align="left">1907-1922</td>
<td>278</td>
<td>203</td>
<td>.578</td>
<td>2.75</td>
<td>528</td>
<td>437</td>
<td>48</td>
<td>0</td>
<td>4448.6</td>
<td>3776</td>
<td>1359</td>
<td>1168</td>
<td>1585</td>
</tr>
<tr class="evenlinestats" align="right">
<td align="left"><a href="r/raymonbugs173.html">Bugs Raymond</a></td>
<td align="left">1904-1924</td>
<td>301</td>
<td>271</td>
<td>.526</td>
<td>3.28</td>
<td>659</td>
<td>512</td>
<td>42</td>
<td>1</td>
<td>5410.9</td>
<td>4734</td>
<td>1972</td>
<td>2642</td>
<td>2056</td>
</tr>
<tr class="oddlinestats" align="right">
<td align="left"><a href="t/tannehjesse779.html">Jesse Tannehill</a></td>
<td align="left">1896-1912</td>
<td>275</td>
<td>196</td>
<td>.584</td>
<td>2.90</td>
<td>524</td>
<td>415</td>
<td>38</td>
<td>6</td>
<td>4273.0</td>
<td>4293</td>
<td>1378</td>
<td>827</td>
<td>1564</td>
</tr>
<tr class="evenlinestats" align="right">
<td align="left"><a href="w/whitedoc785.html">Doc White</a></td>
<td align="left">1901-1916</td>
<td>273</td>
<td>247</td>
<td>.525</td>
<td>2.77</td>
<td>569</td>
<td>473</td>
<td>38</td>
<td>3</td>
<td>4726.0</td>
<td>4313</td>
<td>1455</td>
<td>1013</td>
<td>1546</td>
</tr>
<tr class="oddlinestats" align="right">
<td align="left"><a href="y/youngcy910.html">Cy Young</a></td>
<td align="left">1890-1904</td>
<td>362</td>
<td>204</td>
<td>.640</td>
<td>2.91</td>
<td>620</td>
<td>518</td>
<td>41</td>
<td>8</td>
<td>5008.7</td>
<td>5095</td>
<td>1620</td>
<td>938</td>
<td>1651</td>
</tr>
</table>
Bugs never won an award, but was selected to the 1904 and 1907 All-Star games. Bugs also won 2 World Championship rings, in 1915 and 1918. He is currently 6th in career wins.

Should Bugs get the nod ?
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