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Originally Posted by thehef
Well, we can look at actual stats and find real-life examples where the roles don't match the performance. Take the 1977 Dodgers, just as an example. Their three primary 'pen guys posted these numbers:
a) 3.32 ERA, 1.319 WHIP, 7.4 K's per 9 innings, 1.5 K-to-BB ratio
b) 2.73 ERA, 1.309 WHIP, 4.2 K's per 9, 1.32 K-to-BB
c) 1.98 ERA, 0.848 WHIP, 6.6 K's per 9, 3.92 K-to BB
Who among those three would you want as your closer? I'm going with the last guy, no question. In reality, though, who where these guys and what were their roles?
a) Charlie Hough, closer thru June, then mostly setup guy (22 saves)
b) Mike Garman, setup guy thru June, then mostly closer (12 saves)
c) Elias Sosa, middle-reliever/setup guy all season (1 save)
As many on this board have said over the years, OOTP doesn't know names, only stats. So my guess is that if OOTP were to evaluate these players on those 1977 stats, it would put Elias Sosa in the closer role.
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Excellent points- but wouldn't saves be one of the stats to look at? At least in terms of role designations? We can all agree the "value" and usefulness of the save is way overrated, certainly proven by your example where Sosa is clearly the best RP of that triad; but in assigning players to roles, such as closer, if one is attempting to make a historical replay as historical as possible, Sosa wouldn't be the closer.
I have gone into "pitching" to alter roles to better fit the actual historical circumstances, and have noticed that OOTP likes to "put things back" the way they see it...For example, if I have a closer who averaged getting 4 outs per appearance, I change his "usage option" to "8th+ or later" rather than "9th or later"...Unfortunately, it doesn't stick...seems like as soon as the next day comes, or there is an AI roster move, (not sure which), everything reverts back to the prior...have noticed the same under "lineups", when I try to alter order of PHs, especially in a case where a PH may have gotten 60 ABs..
Again, I think you are probably correct in that OOTP is choosing who may be the best hitter in each spot, but if so, why have settings if they don't stick?