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Old 12-03-2020, 10:28 AM   #25
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Interesting conversation and with some qualifications, I do tend to agree with your conclusions.

I mentioned this to Markus and he's open to the idea that we can make some tweaks to the stamina calculations for those borderline 25-35% type guys.

Garlon, Joe, please remind me about this at some point not too long after we start beta testing.
That's fantastic! I'll be sure to remind you guys.

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I'm not as sure about the assigning secondary roles to SP's just because I'm not sure how much coding effort would be involved in getting this to work well and not just have the ai pitching the top SP's in relief every day if they do have a secondary role assigned. I did point this out to Matt though, and we'll see on that.
In my replays, pitchers with 75-80 stamina (which is just about every starter who pitched more than 150 innings) are fully recovered four days after starting. On days 1 and 2, I would expect that a starter wouldn't be available to relieve because he's too tired. On day 3, he would be "slightly tired," which should mean that he's available to relieve if he's still a better choice than one of the pitchers in the bullpen. And then, on day 4, if he hasn't pitched in relief in between his starts, he should be available to start (that's another problem that I've identified in my replays - starters taking an extra day of rest between starts).

Some starting pitchers were used a lot in relief - I mentioned a few before, like Three-Finger Brown and Lefty Grove. Others, like Christy Mathewson and Eddie Plank, weren't. So not every starter should get assigned a secondary role as a reliever. I'd suggest that any starter who had 15% or more of his appearances in relief should get some kind of secondary reliever role. For the top starters who fit into that category, I'd suggest "high leverage." That should also work to limit their relief appearances.

I'm not sure how fast starters recover from relief appearances, but it should be faster than a normal "reliever." As I mentioned in my 1912 Senators replay, Walter Johnson started four times the day after he appeared in relief. Lefty Grove did the same in 1930. So it should be possible for a high-stamina starter to recover from a short relief stint immediately.

Likewise, pitchers that OOTP consigns to the bullpen should get "emergency starter" as a secondary role if they had more than 15% or 20% of their appearances as a starter. So adding secondary roles, combined with the stamina ratings and strategy settings, should work together to yield more realistic results for pitchers in the pre-reliever era.
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