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Originally Posted by jimmysthebestcop
Its probably more money then OOTPb usually had. But its not like the amount of copies of the game skyrocketed or anything. It is still a very very small Indy title.
I mean it only gets about 1700 daily steam users. No way to know how many stand alone copies there but I'm guessing it isn't "tons". Motorsport Manager 4 years old and still gets 1300 daily steam users. Football Manager we are talking like 100k!!!!!! Just to give some comparisons.
So even if PT is bringing in extra money its not bringing in those kinds of numbers because OOTPb isn't a popular title. If it was popular then there be content creators covering OOTPb on Youtube and Twitch and Mixer. Go search you can't find anything. Stuff with a couple hundred or couple thousand views thats it. Even small Indy titles can get hundreds of thousands of views on multiple vids from multiple creators.
The official ootp channel only gets a couple hundred views per video. SO PT might have people buying packs which increases profit I would guess but its not like selling a million copies of a game.
The PT money will come from 20% of the PT users. That is how pay to play games all work. There are always 20% whales vs the majority. Before Covid the same was true with Netflix around 70% of its paid users haven't used it in months.
The only way PT would be a huge success is if it can go mobile. Most of all the pay to play, daily fantasy gamblers all play those things on mobile and not the PC. PT is really for an entire different fan base. I played it all last year and it was entertaining and I enjoyed it. But I now I have no interest in ever doing it again. Its not a real "video game" its an extension of fantasy gambling/competition.
Even its current iteration of OOTPb 21 I don't see it appealing to gamers. It appeals to baseball fans, stat results driven crowd and people that like to create their own worlds.
This is probably the last thread I'll be following on here. Then I'll check back around Xmas see if anything is changing for the better.
But I've sworn off OOTP. Its a non purchase from now on, unless a new revolutionary leap happens which is highly unlikely. I've moved my sports sim to Football Manager. It is just about a million times better "gaming experience".
Yes they are much bigger, sell more copies, have sega as a producers, larger staff but that is also a weak excuse. My top 5 game of the last several years is Star Traders Frontiers and it was made by 2 brothers. Easily competing with the big boys. RPS (rock paper shotgun) even declared it a top 50 game of the decade or something crazy like that.
Now I don't want anyone to get it wrong. OOTPb isn't a bad game I just realized after 4 years it's not the gaming experience for me. It will probably never be the gaming experience that I want out of a sports management sim either. So its better just to forget about it and move on to the next game.
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I am a small content creator. Very small. I do run a series on their Hockey Sim. I also own OOTP. The reason I haven't started an OOTP series is not because the title is small, but because I haven't found a way to make it viable and interesting. With the problems in 3D, playing out games is out of the question. And for me personally, just simming and being the GM is too much like my hockey series.
Not to mention that baseball regular season is very long.
But I get your point that a big time streamer would not really care because it's not typically the type of games that will reel in a ton of views. Small creators like me don't really care about that though...but I do care about how I present things, and I haven't figured out how to do it right for OOTP yet.