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tavo2311 · 06-07-2020, 09:58 PM

SCHEDULE: ROUND 1 - REGION 3
We have a really interesting one here. Since I first started watching baseball I have been interested in the Black Sox scandal and everything that surrounds it. As an 8 year old I probably believed the '19 Sox were one of the top 5 teams ever, and the Reds were literally garbage. All these decades learning more and more, this Reds team really is better than history gives them credit for. I'm almost rooting for them to prove themselves, but can't go that far because in Shoeless Joe I still have an unhealthy man crush on a ballplayer that last played a game over 50 years before I was born.

8) 1919 Cincinnati Reds vs. 9) 1917 Chicago White Sox

1919 Cincinnati Reds:
8 Seed – Region 3
Record: 96-44
Result: Won World Series 5-3 over Chicago White Sox
Entry to Tournament: At large bid (Wildcard –Storyline)
Elo Rank: 49
Key Players:
Heine Groh (3B) .310, 63 rbi, 79 r, 149 OPS+
Edd Roush (OF) .321, 71 rbi, 73 r, 20 sb, 146 OPS+
Dutch Reuther (SP) 19-6, 1.82 era, 1.14 whip,
Hod Eller (SP) 19-9, 2.39 era, 1.07 whip, 7 shutouts, 5.0 k/9
Notes:
Not a lot of household names on this roster, and only one future hall of famer in Roush. I added them originally to give them a second chance to prove themselves. As the winning side in the Black Sox scandal they have never been given any credit as a worth World Series champ. As I researched them more though I found they were quite good and rank well. They are seeded in an interesting 1st round matchup and they get a chance on an even playing field to show their true caliber.

Further reading: https://www.cincinnatimagazine.com/a...ir-and-square/
http://baseballjudgments.tripod.com/id94.html

1917 Chicago White Sox:
9 Seed – Region 3
Record: 100-54
Result: Won World Series 4-2 over New York Giants
Entry to Tournament: Automatic bid (Best White Sox team ever)
Elo Rank: 68
Key Players:
Shoeless Joe Jackson (OF) .301, 82 rbi, 91 r, 17 triples, 143 OPS+
Eddie Collins (2B) .289, 66 rbi, 91 r, 53 sb, 12 triples, 128 OPS+
Eddie Cicotte (SP) 28-12, 1.53 era, 0.91 whip, 29 CGs, 7 shutouts, 174 ERA+
Notes:
Two years prior to the Black Sox scandal this squad won the whole thing. It would be their last title for 88 years. This team is on the cusp of eligibility for the tournament on ELO ranking alone, but they are automatically in as the best ever White Sox team. Even if they weren’t admitted by either of those standards, Joe Jackson would easily have been handed a spot in any tournament of mine. They will have a very important first round matchup that requires exorcising very old demons if they hope to move on and prove they belong.

Further reading: http://www.thisgreatgame.com/1917-baseball-history.html
https://www.baseballhistorycomesaliv...wice-in-a-row/

06-07-2020, 09:58 PM	#16
tavo2311 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: New Jersey Posts: 157	SCHEDULE: ROUND 1 - REGION 3 We have a really interesting one here. Since I first started watching baseball I have been interested in the Black Sox scandal and everything that surrounds it. As an 8 year old I probably believed the '19 Sox were one of the top 5 teams ever, and the Reds were literally garbage. All these decades learning more and more, this Reds team really is better than history gives them credit for. I'm almost rooting for them to prove themselves, but can't go that far because in Shoeless Joe I still have an unhealthy man crush on a ballplayer that last played a game over 50 years before I was born. 8) 1919 Cincinnati Reds vs. 9) 1917 Chicago White Sox 1919 Cincinnati Reds: 8 Seed – Region 3 Record: 96-44 Result: Won World Series 5-3 over Chicago White Sox Entry to Tournament: At large bid (Wildcard –Storyline) Elo Rank: 49 Key Players: Heine Groh (3B) .310, 63 rbi, 79 r, 149 OPS+ Edd Roush (OF) .321, 71 rbi, 73 r, 20 sb, 146 OPS+ Dutch Reuther (SP) 19-6, 1.82 era, 1.14 whip, Hod Eller (SP) 19-9, 2.39 era, 1.07 whip, 7 shutouts, 5.0 k/9 Notes: Not a lot of household names on this roster, and only one future hall of famer in Roush. I added them originally to give them a second chance to prove themselves. As the winning side in the Black Sox scandal they have never been given any credit as a worth World Series champ. As I researched them more though I found they were quite good and rank well. They are seeded in an interesting 1st round matchup and they get a chance on an even playing field to show their true caliber. Further reading: https://www.cincinnatimagazine.com/a...ir-and-square/ http://baseballjudgments.tripod.com/id94.html 1917 Chicago White Sox: 9 Seed – Region 3 Record: 100-54 Result: Won World Series 4-2 over New York Giants Entry to Tournament: Automatic bid (Best White Sox team ever) Elo Rank: 68 Key Players: Shoeless Joe Jackson (OF) .301, 82 rbi, 91 r, 17 triples, 143 OPS+ Eddie Collins (2B) .289, 66 rbi, 91 r, 53 sb, 12 triples, 128 OPS+ Eddie Cicotte (SP) 28-12, 1.53 era, 0.91 whip, 29 CGs, 7 shutouts, 174 ERA+ Notes: Two years prior to the Black Sox scandal this squad won the whole thing. It would be their last title for 88 years. This team is on the cusp of eligibility for the tournament on ELO ranking alone, but they are automatically in as the best ever White Sox team. Even if they weren’t admitted by either of those standards, Joe Jackson would easily have been handed a spot in any tournament of mine. They will have a very important first round matchup that requires exorcising very old demons if they hope to move on and prove they belong. Further reading: http://www.thisgreatgame.com/1917-baseball-history.html https://www.baseballhistorycomesaliv...wice-in-a-row/ Last edited by tavo2311; 06-07-2020 at 09:59 PM.