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Originally Posted by majesty95

This is complete buffoonery. I’ve read through data driven minds trying to prove its wrong because they can’t quantify the psychological impact of sport. This is like saying that Michael Jordan wasn’t clutch.

So just because some players have bad “clutch” years while also having good “clutch” years it’s disproven to exist? It’s nonsense. Have these people ever picked up a bat? I’ve had times where I was so prepared and confident I felt like I could hit Randy Johnson. Other times I felt so insecure at the plate a 10 year old probably could have struck me out. Some people can harness those things better than others. I’ve seen it in reality actually playing the game all throughout my formative years and even into adulthood. It’s just complete nonsense that data crunchers can’t prove the mental aspect because there are so many factors to consider that they just write it off. Casts a serious shadow on these pencil pushers in general.

Hoo boy

And were all the times you felt like you could hit Randy Johnson high-leverage situations? Were you clutch?
Or were you a choker, feeling like you couldn't hit against a ten year old in those situations?

Or were those situations intermittent? Meaning someone couldn't just look up your stats in high leverage spots to see what your mental state was at the time?

And please tell me what is like to hold the bat in my hands. To feel its heft and balance. And how it feels to slide your hand into a newly oiled mitt. Or how it is to stand on the field on a sunny summer day.

I've never known those feelings. Just the cool dampness of my mother's basement and the clackety clack of the keys of my scientific calculator.

Originally Posted by majesty95

Dude proved it was there by showing an example of how Hernandez for his career was better in high leverage situations and y’all poo poo it with every excuse you can think of. You can’t be proved wrong because you don’t want to be wrong. How can you prove clutch if not that they perform better than their career avg in those situations?

I just flipped a coin ten times. 6 tails. I've found a clutch coin. It obviously has the mental fortitude to come up tails. Even when I was really trying to make it come up like 7 heads to prove my point. Or, maybe I'm just a coin-flippling choker.

Or, random variation is an actual thing that exists.

Selective effort? That’s so ridiculously laughable...To assume that any human could be 100% of prime effectiveness in 100% of their at bats is extremely ignorant.

So, your counter argument against the "ridiculously laughable" suggestion that Hernandez might have tried harder in certain situations is that nobody tries equally hard all the time. Damn. Egg on our faces.

Have you ever even played a 30 game high school baseball season much less a 162 game major league season?

I thought we'd just gone over this.

No. I've never even tossed the old pigskin around in the park with the other boys. Sometimes, though, when, I was pushing my pencil I'd try to knock the crust from my zits off my face. That's pretty much like baseball, isn't it?

Have you ever taken a 101 level class in statistics or logic?

You don’t think that happens on a ball field? Just complete absurdity.

Again. Just to make sure. You're asking this in response to the suggestion that sometimes Hernandez was less focused than others, right?

Originally Posted by majesty95

Probably the same reason some people still make fun of analytics. Maybe Tuesday is the day he meet with his therapist and get his head right before the game. Maybe that’s the day he has his local youth group at the game so is extra focused those days. Maybe the orange juice on Tuesdays balances a carbohydrate or electrolyte deficiency.

There have been...I don't know...tens of thousands of baseball players in history.

Are you going to come up with reasons for every one of them on why they hit differently on Monday than Tuesday, and differently on Tuesday than Wednesday. And differently on Wednesday than Thursday, and so on.

And why they hit differently in April than May. And differently in May than June, etc

And differently during the day than during the night

And differently at home vs on the road.

And differently in that road stadium vs another road stadium.

And differently on a Tuesday in April on the road at night in one year than another?

Or will you just admit that random variation exists. And much of what looks like clutch, or lack of clutch, is just random variation.

Look, in 100% believe in analytics that find ways to compare hitter like WAR, wRC, FIP, etc

Can you tell me how you use FIP to compare hitters?

But if you’re going to dismiss human psychology, which has been studied at least 10 times as long as analytics, just because you can’t quantify it with a metric then you’re not nearly as aware of what you’re studying as you think you are.

I don't think anyone is dismissing human psychology.
I mean I specifically have said that we don't know enough about players' psychology to make judgements. I don't know what makes Mike Trout feel like he's facing a ten year old. Do you?

Originally Posted by majesty95

That’s not at all true. That’s like saying a .210 hitter would be weeded our before he got to the majors. Pressure in high school isn’t the same as pressure with 50k fans in the stands.

But, your majesty, weren't you the one just saying that because you played a 30 game high school schedule, where you sometimes felt like you could hit Randy Johnson and sometimes felt like a ten year old could strike you out, you knew all about the pressure that Keith Hernandez et al felt when facing high leverage situations in MLB? Maybe you played in a really big high school with 50,000 people in the stands.

Originally Posted by majesty95

Yes and you continue to use it to try and disprove what you don’t want to be true.

Why don't I want clutch to be true?
Why would I care?

And, come on, try, honestly try, to tell me why "Keith Hernandez hit better in high leverage situations, therefore clutch!" isn't as much, or more, confirmation bias than anything I've put forth here.

Originally Posted by majesty95

Tell that to Trevor Bauer. Or even Tony Gwynn. The more you post, the less I think you actually know about the sport you think you know so much about.

I don't know those people
And why would I tell them?
And what point are you even trying to make?

Ditto, your majesty