[Aaron's Aron]

I suppose I should clarify, as it seems I might not have been clear.

I am not asking to remove all the traditional stats from the game. I just think some of the stats that are on the second/third/fourth page of stats should be switched to the first so that it is easier to quickly access when looking at many players, and vice versa. For example, if you were to switch two stats around, RBIs and wRC+ would be a good choice.

I agree, Sweed, that making anything optional or editable would be ideal because then it can be set to how we like. I understand the view that historical might seem a bit weird with modern analytics, but those stats are already in the game. They're just a hassle to get to. And again, I'm not asking to remove traditional stats, but just move some things around, so hopefully people playing historical wouldn't be affected much. :]

Yeah, Bluenoser. Which stats to move around could certainly be discussed. I'm not really asking to add any stats to the game at all; most stats that are particularly relevant are already in the game. Things like O-Swing%, Z-Swing%, O-Contact%, and Z-Contact%, while very important in real life, wouldn't make much sense in OOTP. So it's more about moving around than strictly adding. I'm glad we can agree on updating some displays.

Obviously at this point we're moving away from the main goal of the thread, but I think it is an interesting discussion:

Of course simply having fun and enjoying the beauty of baseball matters, but when it comes to statistics, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. Everything boils down to scoring and preventing runs. The traditional stats do correlate at varying degrees to runs, but not anywhere near as much as people think. You can look at whatever stats you want and interpret them however you want, and you are totally allowed to do that, but there is definitely a correct and incorrect way to view them. If there wasn't, WAR wouldn't make sense as a stat because it would be way too subjective.

I think it's awesome that you took the time to educate yourself on sabermetrics. I've certainly spent way too much time reading FanGraphs myself. When I said "older folks," I wasn't really referring strictly to people who are old, but rather people who shun modern analytics. These people tend to be on the older side, but there are certainly many people my own age who are like this as well. So yes, I know those older people aren't going to go away for a while, but neither will the younger people if they have the same view.

Yes, it does drive me crazy. It doesn't make me mad or angry though, but rather sad because these people are uneducated (this applies to all sports, not just baseball). These people then get angry when a team makes a move or signs/doesn't sign a player, because they think a certain player is good/bad (because they only had x RBIs for example) when in reality said player isn't the quality they think. People get all worked up and upset about teams and players, and if they knew better (which isn't always there fault), they might not do so. People cause themselves unnecessary stress because they don't know better. I obviously ignore it and suck it up as you say, but that doesn't make it any less sad.

Obviously you can still enjoy baseball without being caught up with sabermetrics. You can watch baseball and play OOTP however you want. I'm not always watching baseball with a super analytical view. Sometimes I just like to watch. There is nothing wrong with that. One just has to do so with the understanding that some common traditional stats are not as telling as they realize. :]

EDIT: I just saw BirdWatcher posted as well while I was typing, so I'll read and reply to that in just a bit. :]