[Mariner and Giants Fan]

Originally Posted by One Great Matrix

There were certain qualities Jeter had in the field that you can't gleam from defensive statistics. I was saying those might not be covered, his headiness. Not range

... stats are funny, Ozzie Smith averaged about 3.33 assists per game at short, about 0.67 above even a very good SS...I think that says something about his range, for sure (all-time leader in assists in NL as well, possibly in MLB history)...I mean they're generated one way or another, the methods aren't exact counts regarding the game because on offense stats relate to scoring but on defense it is much harder to produce "not scoring" statistics, I.e. how many runs does the player really prevent & how? You can't just sort of tally things up...except maybe assists...catches per game in the outfield average over many games....etc.

I'm not against saber just trying to explain the differences between traditional stats and some of the saber attempts to measure things. In fact I like sabermetrics very much...I just don't like them any more than traditional measures.

...The colorful triple plays was just in the spirit of talking baseball, not arguing.

Read Smart Baseball. Headiness, really? How is that not totally subjective?
Jeter was an average to above average fielder. He couldn't hold Ozzie Smith's jockstrap