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Originally Posted by KBLover
Replace errors with "unearned hits", maybe.
Then any missed execution, mental or physical, can result in an unearned hit.
This would go fine with RBOE (rename it RBOU... reached base on unearned hit).
And it uses the same terminology as the existing unearned run.
RHE becomes RHU - Runs, Hits, Unearned Hits. Then plays like the ones in that youtube vid don't break up no hitters (no earned hits).
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I'm generally, ok with that.
Reached Base - unearned. Along those lines.
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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold
I'm somewhat surprised that they haven't done this. You could also then discount them from a batter's line entirely at that point - treat it like a walk, counts towards their OBP but not for or against their batting average. Then this "Team error" counts the same on a batter as any individual error, neither helping nor hurting him.
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This is where, for me, it gets a bit confusing.
We kind of need granular data/stats for a game. I mean, a lot of people have suggested that baseball be played only on spread sheets or computers, but I, personally, kind of like the real thing. So, we need to keep track of when, at minimum, a player and team score a run and when an out is recorded.
But, for analyzing baseball, this granularity doesn't accurately tell us what happened. When a player scores a run, they get credited with the whole thing. Even if all they did was ground into a fielder's choice then jog around the bases when the next batter hit a home run. And a player gets the same RBI for hitting a solo 500 foot home run as they do for grounding out after another hitter hits a triple.
So errors were, rightly, created to try distinguish between a scorched line drive and a ground ball that Buckner's someone.
But now, with statcast information, even scorched line drives can be expressed in probabilities of a hit. So, the differentiation between a hit and an error, for these purposes, isn't really needed at all. Some batted balls are 90% of a hit, some are 5%. It doesn't matter what (else) *actually* happened.
The ball in the video I linked to probably gets caught 95%+ of the time. That's a lot different than a ball drilled up the middle that is through the infield before anybody can react.
There are some things that are clearly hits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-seRrLXzmH8
Some things that are clearly errors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRkspG0KbtQ
and a lot of things that are somewhere in between.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8mxJAidZqA
So, maybe hits, errors (including team errors) and unearned hits (or whatever) to distinguish things that are obvious hits, obvious errors and the grey area.
With hits and unearned hits increasing OBP and ROE counting against it.