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Originally Posted by Dogberry99
We do not have a clear definition on what is and is not cheating. If we did, there would be no poll in this thread.
We can moralize all we want about how this game should be played, but at the end of the day, none of us are in a position to rule on in game behavior. We are all making assumptions, many of which pit us against one another, adding to the toxicity of the community.
Why are we surprised that some here are trying to look for any and all advantages allowed by the game mechanics when the sport we're simulating doesn't merely look for the same advantages but lauds and rewards such behavior?
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You're not wrong there. But this is something that clearly needs addressing, not by players but by OOTP.
And yes, as someone who is also a gamer I'm well aware that we are not playing actual major league baseball but a game which is an approximate representation of real baseball. The rules to be successful at this game are very different than the rules of real baseball. Whenever you play a video game, this is the most successful way to look at it.
And that would be OK.
But. People are paying real money here. If I can beat a guy who dropped $100 by using strategy, AH trades, and smarter player signings then that's one thing. If I can beat that guy because I earned more pp in 4 seasons of tanking and mopping the floor with inferior competition than he did by paying that $100... well, I don't see why people would continue to pay money under that circumstance. The top spots of the game would all be filled by 'gamers'.
I'll be honest; I would also tank if the game meant that much to me because I play games to win. It's not fun to be a doormat. But things like tanking and pp funneling, to me at least, take the game too far away from actual baseball. It wouldn't matter if I could win or not - I would stop playing because the whole thing would seem stupid to me. I think a lot of other players might lean that way too.
Regarding what OOTP can do.. they can use algorithms combined with a little, but not too much manual oversight. If a team wins a game 41-3, that game should be flagged and reviewed to make sure there were no shenanigans. If a team goes 27-135, that team should be looked at. They're already monitoring the AH in this kind of fashion... they don't need to review everything manually.
How is OOTP 20 looking? I'm not looking at that the threads there regarding PT since I'm not a player. I'm of the impression that this stuff won't happen in the new version.