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Originally Posted by Pirates
There in lies the problem. The new statistics like WAR are garbage to me.
You know what these statistics don't show. When you needed a big win, Carleton and Gibson were money men.
When I grew up pitchers went at least 8 innings on a regular basis, those guys were players. Not one of today's pitchers could have made a roster as a starting Pitcher back then.
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This is the kind of crap that makes us old people look not very smart. Open your mind to something new for a change.
You know what a pitcher can't do? Win a big game when his team scores zero runs. He also can't field all 9 positions on the field and make great defensive plays saving him runs.
Wins are a team stat, not an individual stat.
Was Jacob deGrom a mediocre pitcher last season with a 10-9 record?
All modern pitchers could pitch as much as older pitchers, but the difference now is that there are relief pitchers that are just as good as the starters if not better in short outings. So modern managers aren't dumb and instead pitch their best pitchers to win as many games as possible. That doesn't prove anything other than relief pitchers used to be terrible failed starting pitchers.