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NoOne · 10-28-2018, 01:07 AM

Short answer -- yeah, market size can increase with great and consistent success. you can remove owner control of budget, if he's 'stealing' too much.. not cheating, all teams will have full access to budget that is based on revenue from previous year with no owner meddling.

it's not about how much profit you make. pretty sure it's just winning. market size is the single largest factor and it will dictate your range of income possible. (within the same market size, there is a range of media contract values based on success too, but that has an upper cap and it isn't far)

a stingy owner taking a chunk out of 100M is different than 250M budget. even iwth a miserly owner it's in your best interest to maximize revenue as much as possible.
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revenue drives budget. make more and you get a bigger budget. relative to stinginess of the owner, of course.. but same owner and more revenue equals larger budget the next year, even if he takes a major portion of the increased revenue.

you will be limited by your market size... it may rise slowly over time.. maybe you'd go from 2-10 in 100 years? type slowness.... (total guess)

i know it has an effect, because in a 100+year league i noticed my division's average market size dropped significantly (lots of success, eating into there's, no out of division games etc). 1 dominant team made most teams lose market size over time. one did increase 2-3 ticks, a couple remained unchanged. not surprisingly, those were the better teams (the riser and one of those that remained the same). while other divisions were more random and ~equal up and down movements for the most part. they maintained the basic bell curve i made.

i think a stretch of good seasons is better than good seasons interrupted by a bad season. this is for sure -- early success in season = greater gate revenue potential. i.e. a 20win streak in april is worth more revenue bumps (ticket price) than a 20-win streak in september.

Even so, if you start consitently winning and always go to playoffs, you'll find you can raise ticket prices quite a bit throughout year. again, smaller market likely has a small stadium... if you don'tthink it's cheating build a 50k stadium before you get too successful.

outside of winning more, ticket prices are the only way you can increase revenue by something you directly control. compared to some base value you set on opening day that gives ~near full attendance, you'll increase revenue by tens of millions of modern day dollars even with a 30k stadium. figure 20-25% increase over previous season gate and season tick totals. with super teams and a 50k stadium you can get season tickets + gate up over 200M per year... from what i know, market size doesn't affect attendance? imo, it should, but if not you can have huge budget with any small market team in that case.

leads to season tickets-- price higher.. your goal is to maximize average price per ticket, not # of season tickets sold. the latter is far less income. i shoot for ~1/3rd capacity from season ticket sales. i then adjust in future years as i see average price increase or decrease.. or you could apply a little calculus with a few data points. each year shifts a bit even if consistently winning. quite a few small factors at play.

10-28-2018, 01:07 AM	#3
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	Short answer -- yeah, market size can increase with great and consistent success. you can remove owner control of budget, if he's 'stealing' too much.. not cheating, all teams will have full access to budget that is based on revenue from previous year with no owner meddling. it's not about how much profit you make. pretty sure it's just winning. market size is the single largest factor and it will dictate your range of income possible. (within the same market size, there is a range of media contract values based on success too, but that has an upper cap and it isn't far) a stingy owner taking a chunk out of 100M is different than 250M budget. even iwth a miserly owner it's in your best interest to maximize revenue as much as possible. ----------- revenue drives budget. make more and you get a bigger budget. relative to stinginess of the owner, of course.. but same owner and more revenue equals larger budget the next year, even if he takes a major portion of the increased revenue. you will be limited by your market size... it may rise slowly over time.. maybe you'd go from 2-10 in 100 years? type slowness.... (total guess) i know it has an effect, because in a 100+year league i noticed my division's average market size dropped significantly (lots of success, eating into there's, no out of division games etc). 1 dominant team made most teams lose market size over time. one did increase 2-3 ticks, a couple remained unchanged. not surprisingly, those were the better teams (the riser and one of those that remained the same). while other divisions were more random and ~equal up and down movements for the most part. they maintained the basic bell curve i made. i think a stretch of good seasons is better than good seasons interrupted by a bad season. this is for sure -- early success in season = greater gate revenue potential. i.e. a 20win streak in april is worth more revenue bumps (ticket price) than a 20-win streak in september. Even so, if you start consitently winning and always go to playoffs, you'll find you can raise ticket prices quite a bit throughout year. again, smaller market likely has a small stadium... if you don'tthink it's cheating build a 50k stadium before you get too successful. outside of winning more, ticket prices are the only way you can increase revenue by something you directly control. compared to some base value you set on opening day that gives ~near full attendance, you'll increase revenue by tens of millions of modern day dollars even with a 30k stadium. figure 20-25% increase over previous season gate and season tick totals. with super teams and a 50k stadium you can get season tickets + gate up over 200M per year... from what i know, market size doesn't affect attendance? imo, it should, but if not you can have huge budget with any small market team in that case. leads to season tickets-- price higher.. your goal is to maximize average price per ticket, not # of season tickets sold. the latter is far less income. i shoot for ~1/3rd capacity from season ticket sales. i then adjust in future years as i see average price increase or decrease.. or you could apply a little calculus with a few data points. each year shifts a bit even if consistently winning. quite a few small factors at play. Last edited by NoOne; 10-28-2018 at 01:13 AM.