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NoOne · 10-01-2018, 12:06 PM

my guesses on 100pt scale per tier... leaving high a off, i dont have expereience with it actually being a higher level league now. pitching is complicated, that's all i say on that and take those #'s with a grain of salt since all 3 are very important ratings.

this is different than my guide and likely better in function. these are also based on past experience with ootp an di think '19 is slightly different? maybe a few ticks lower based on differences of fully developed players distribution? then again maybe now... find a sample of players.. look at results, compare to baseline. the guys near the "upto value" are more likely to be ~120-150ops+ guys etc. give or take

Pitching:

3 moving parts. one can compensate for the others. k/9, bb/9, babip, era+ are all good to use to verify any promotion. still try to stick to development as the "rail" by which you move. for pitchign i'm going to list what i guess to be a minimum you want of any of the three, and hopefully 1 or 2 are higher than that. this is way less precise than what i write about batting due to this context.

Stuff, Move, Control is order, age stuff refer to batting notes on it below.

R -- any, of course
SA- 30ish, 35-40ish, 30ish
A -- 40ish, 45-50ish, 40ish
AA- 45ish, 55ish, 45ish
AAA - 50+, 60ish or nearing potential, 50ish

like i said, when 1 or more are extremely out of whack with the other 2 it may allow for a lower or higher than expected minor league placement. i definitely rely more on stats with pitching than i do with batting. it is cloudier info from ratings and requires greater weight on other indicators that we have available. know baselines of each mil level or you can't do this.

Batting -- Contact is basically it for batters. an incredibly bad eye or avoid k's may force a guy to play 1 level below where contact would normally dictate... i'd still let them have a chance to fail before assuming anything and not promoting to check. do not expect power to move much.. if it does, that's just gravy.

R --- Contact upto 25-30ish, age any

SA - Contact upto 35-40ish, age older than 18 or 1 year svc time, typically.

A --- Contact upto 40-45ish, age ~21+??, couple years svc time, some college kids will struggle even if good a-ball contact or higher.

AA -- Contact upto ~50+ish, age ~22-23+??, again 0 svc time may struggle even if rated well for level or better than level.

AAA-- should have ~45-50contact or so to be competent, and upto ~85% developed (80% power -- %s based on PCMs for AAA), then i prefer MLB to finish up development. some of those will stay in AAA too. if only a bench player, i won't promote until they cannot gain 1 full year service time. an extra month or two isn't scary, but keeping a ~fully developed guy at AAA for 1+ years is scary. an 80% developed guy? i don't see many problems with a full season, but i quickly bump them even in offseason if part of my future plans.

age is/can be important. sometimes it is not. i've gotten kids as young at 19 to the majors, that i can recall with certainty and likely 18, too. i believe this is a serious effect and you should be careful with advancing younger prospects too soon, even so.

however, if their ratings sky-rocket, who cares what age they are or what their MiL stats look like. i dip the toe in the water, if ratings dictate etc, if they struggle mightily and ratings stagnate, i demote withn 1month maybe 2. otherwise, i let them flounder, if development continues at a good pace. i typically only do this for a "young player" if i see extremely fast development and it continues after promotion. any bad sign and i look into a bit more, and maybe follow the age suggestions above more strictly with that particular player. really, not much different than any other decisions for promotion, but a bit more careful / watchful.

as cactusguy21 pointed out, performance in the minor leagues may or may not indicate future success (much stronger correlation in RL, but not ootp though), so don't worry too much about it. i've had the same situation many times. a guy is a career .200ish mil hitter and wins 10 silver slugger awards maybe an mvp or more on the way to HoF etc. it's really not that rare to have bad mil stats if they develop quickly. stats lag behind ratings... small samples, greater volatility etc...

10-01-2018, 12:06 PM	#6
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	my guesses on 100pt scale per tier... leaving high a off, i dont have expereience with it actually being a higher level league now. pitching is complicated, that's all i say on that and take those #'s with a grain of salt since all 3 are very important ratings. this is different than my guide and likely better in function. these are also based on past experience with ootp an di think '19 is slightly different? maybe a few ticks lower based on differences of fully developed players distribution? then again maybe now... find a sample of players.. look at results, compare to baseline. the guys near the "upto value" are more likely to be ~120-150ops+ guys etc. give or take Pitching: 3 moving parts. one can compensate for the others. k/9, bb/9, babip, era+ are all good to use to verify any promotion. still try to stick to development as the "rail" by which you move. for pitchign i'm going to list what i guess to be a minimum you want of any of the three, and hopefully 1 or 2 are higher than that. this is way less precise than what i write about batting due to this context. Stuff, Move, Control is order, age stuff refer to batting notes on it below. R -- any, of course SA- 30ish, 35-40ish, 30ish A -- 40ish, 45-50ish, 40ish AA- 45ish, 55ish, 45ish AAA - 50+, 60ish or nearing potential, 50ish like i said, when 1 or more are extremely out of whack with the other 2 it may allow for a lower or higher than expected minor league placement. i definitely rely more on stats with pitching than i do with batting. it is cloudier info from ratings and requires greater weight on other indicators that we have available. know baselines of each mil level or you can't do this. Batting -- Contact is basically it for batters. an incredibly bad eye or avoid k's may force a guy to play 1 level below where contact would normally dictate... i'd still let them have a chance to fail before assuming anything and not promoting to check. do not expect power to move much.. if it does, that's just gravy. R --- Contact upto 25-30ish, age any SA - Contact upto 35-40ish, age older than 18 or 1 year svc time, typically. A --- Contact upto 40-45ish, age ~21+??, couple years svc time, some college kids will struggle even if good a-ball contact or higher. AA -- Contact upto ~50+ish, age ~22-23+??, again 0 svc time may struggle even if rated well for level or better than level. AAA-- should have ~45-50contact or so to be competent, and upto ~85% developed (80% power -- %s based on PCMs for AAA), then i prefer MLB to finish up development. some of those will stay in AAA too. if only a bench player, i won't promote until they cannot gain 1 full year service time. an extra month or two isn't scary, but keeping a ~fully developed guy at AAA for 1+ years is scary. an 80% developed guy? i don't see many problems with a full season, but i quickly bump them even in offseason if part of my future plans. age is/can be important. sometimes it is not. i've gotten kids as young at 19 to the majors, that i can recall with certainty and likely 18, too. i believe this is a serious effect and you should be careful with advancing younger prospects too soon, even so. however, if their ratings sky-rocket, who cares what age they are or what their MiL stats look like. i dip the toe in the water, if ratings dictate etc, if they struggle mightily and ratings stagnate, i demote withn 1month maybe 2. otherwise, i let them flounder, if development continues at a good pace. i typically only do this for a "young player" if i see extremely fast development and it continues after promotion. any bad sign and i look into a bit more, and maybe follow the age suggestions above more strictly with that particular player. really, not much different than any other decisions for promotion, but a bit more careful / watchful. as cactusguy21 pointed out, performance in the minor leagues may or may not indicate future success (much stronger correlation in RL, but not ootp though), so don't worry too much about it. i've had the same situation many times. a guy is a career .200ish mil hitter and wins 10 silver slugger awards maybe an mvp or more on the way to HoF etc. it's really not that rare to have bad mil stats if they develop quickly. stats lag behind ratings... small samples, greater volatility etc... Last edited by NoOne; 10-01-2018 at 12:08 PM.