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Originally Posted by Jeffy25
Pretty sure the discussion turned into objective vs subjective.
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Yes.........about whether WAR, you know...the formula......was objective or subjective.
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Probably because they are different stats, like batting average and on base percentage.
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I know. And their choice is still based on their
opinion. One may use butter to make a cake, the other margarine. But it is all based on the cook's opinion on what is best.
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You do understand, that even bolding opinion above, it's Chadwick's opinion that batting average ignore walks and sacrifices. Thus we have on base percentage.
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So the way to calculate either never changed. His opinion didn't change BA. Because it is unchangeable until they redefine what is an @bat or hit.
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Then what's your question? Because I'm only seeing a debate now about objective vs subjective.
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http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...2&postcount=28
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It's not a kink in the armor that there are different fields of thoughts.
That's literally how all science and math is created and works.
Their opinions change because they realize better and more improved ways to measure this stuff.
We don't have all the answers. Baseball isn't a perfectly measurable sport, but it's one of the easiest sports to measure. In 100 years from now, they'll have better numbers than they do today. But they won't be citing batting average or care about it.
Evolution doesn't mean things aren't better. And any time you improve upon something, there will be others who will improve upon that.
And their opinions aren't just changing because they don't like how it turns out for a player or something. It changes because they are trying and trying to correlate it to wins more accurately. Today, it's over 90% accurate. But it's not 100%, so yes, it will be changing at some point again, I'm sure.
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Yada, yada yada.......all that to say you agree w/myself & airdrop all along. You just can't bring yourself to say it. Cause once more, you want to debate what you want to debate.
Sabermetrics are an opinion based on the mathematicians self made conclusions. At its core, the same way we who scoff @ Mauer being MLB's 7th best C all time formed our opinion. They used math to make form their opinion. We used our gut. And choose to believe it or not, we look @ numbers too. Just maybe not the same ones or in the same way. It is all opinion.