[Jeffy25]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Yes it is. LOL! That's what the whole discussion turned into. Like I said, you want to debate what you want to debate about without considering what was actually asked.

Pretty sure the discussion turned into objective vs subjective.

Uh..... yes there is. Why do they come up with different results? Cause rWAT is B-R's opinion on how it should be calculated, fWAR is fangraph's opinion on how to calculate it.

Probably because they are different stats, like batting average and on base percentage.

EXACTLY! If you had merely posted that in the 1st place you wouldn't have wasted both of our times.

You do understand, that even bolding opinion above, it's Chadwick's opinion that batting average ignore walks and sacrifices. Thus we have on base percentage.

Which point was never questioned. Again, you are debating what you want to debate instead of answering the question.

Then what's your question? Because I'm only seeing a debate now about objective vs subjective.

Set formula, yes. Not adjusted according to feelings? No. Or else, there would be a standard. There are no different calculations for inches, pounds, kilometers or grams etc cause there is a standard. No one can change that because they feel like it. They can't add to it or subtract. B-R & fangraphs can change their formula today if their opinion changes.

It's not a kink in the armor that there are different fields of thoughts.

That's literally how all science and math is created and works.


Their opinions change because they realize better and more improved ways to measure this stuff.

We don't have all the answers. Baseball isn't a perfectly measurable sport, but it's one of the easiest sports to measure. In 100 years from now, they'll have better numbers than they do today. But they won't be citing batting average or care about it.

Evolution doesn't mean things aren't better. And any time you improve upon something, there will be others who will improve upon that.

And their opinions aren't just changing because they don't like how it turns out for a player or something. It changes because they are trying and trying to correlate it to wins more accurately. Today, it's over 90% accurate. But it's not 100%, so yes, it will be changing at some point again, I'm sure.