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Mauer hasn’t caught an inning since 2013 I would wager. I don’t know. I haven’t looked it up. I’d be shocked if he’s caught ten games since then.
Joe Maurer isn’t close to the player Campy was... but that’s not what the metrics say, so you’ll never be convinced. You can’t compare one era to another with metrics. I mean, even the most ardent sabremetrics person should agree with that. My point is that’s my opinion. Based upon what I’ve seen. I don’t need a made up stat to tell me what I’ve seen. I was young but not blind. Yes. I’m old. As has been pointed out.
My beef is that you guys, except Cobra and a couple others, seem unable to understand that the metrics you worship are totally subjective and created out of whole cloth because those who create them struggle to see the things a player does in the game itself....not just in a box score. It’s not even that they’re useless. They’re a tool. But they’re treated like the be all end all by most of baseball and it’s fans. And then citing them for why a guy should be in the HOF, especially when it’s utterly made up, to sell books, is crazy.
If he’s a DH, or a 1B, or a RF, I could live with that. But the argument is being made that he’s a HOF catcher, which means a helluva lot more matters than whatever the heck stat you want to use, or metric, etc.
So yeah, I’m old, and I believe in scouting, the eye test and distrust “stats” made up by fatty radio guys and Baseball writers who think guys like Pete Rose isn’t a HOF player and then cite me to their made up stats (which they made up to sell books...like JAWS) to support their arguments.
And you don’t know anything about Dayton Moore if you think he agrees with sabremetrics or followed it in building the 14 and 15 Royals. I know the man. The sabremetrics folks were all losing their minds when he traded Wil Myers, signed guys like Johnny Gomes, etc. Jarrod Dyson? Selfish player. Terrible metrics. But it worked because he has the athleticism for what they wanted to do. Hosmer? Terrible metrics player. OOTP is not his bag. Great baseball player though. The Royals were the anti metrics team. They made contact, were athletic, and ran like hell. Their WAR and similar metrics were terrible. Hoch, Holland, Herrera, Davis? Not metrics players. They got guys that could throw hard and threw enough of them at the wall they caught lightning in a bottle.
Know what they did this year? They tried to find market inefficiency and steal players. They used the metrics. It’s got them the worst team in baseball and it’s not close. If they had $240MM, it would work. They don’t. They have contracts tied up in non sabremetric players that got old. Partially because they had to because of injury and death. Partially because they were trying to go for one more year in 16 and that’s what they felt they had to do. Metrics got them a guy who looks good on paper, Danny Duffy, who doesn’t compete, has a soft head, and is always hurt. He’s a good dude. But metrics is how you get guys like him signed to long term deals.
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