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"is there a way as a pitcher goes thru the developmental stages (minors) to help them develop at least 3 pitches to full potential. I am finding that it most cases altho the final stage is listed as starter these pitchers rarely reach the level of sp with 3 fully developed pitches"
all the knowledge needed is above to answer this question. i'll make a 2nd attempt to communicate it in a slightly different way.
in the minors only, the manual says playing time has a small effect on development. This is NOT true in the MLB.. so any developement based on performance or usage likely is not important. (laws of prbability dictate - shouldn't even be the case in MiL tbh. thankfully it's a "small" effect or however the manual describes it- you can read it for the exact verbage)
overworking them is a problem too. so, you can't just put a 125-150ptch count and boost development wihtout serious repecrussions that will not outweight a small positive effect that you gain.
forcing position to SP should be enough in the minors. they do a good job of not overworking them.. also, don't use "strict rotation" in the MiL or anywhere else as default setting for that matter. anytime the rotation changes due to manager or update etc, a tired pitcher may get a GS due to STRICT rotation. np when you control rotation you can avoid this by hand, of course, the ai not so much.
"occasionally start highest rested" is a good compromise - the top 2 may get an extra start or two but nothing crazy and only due to a well-timed day off and fully recovered from last start -- i.e. regular rotation, so not overworking them at all. the pitchers 'lower' in rotation will not do this unless "always start highest rested" is used. occasional will keep it to your higher rated pitchers.
there's nothing you can directly do to make that "3rd" pitch or any pitch develop. hire good coaches, spend on development.. after that's it's fairly random relative to those factors influence.
i covered how pitches can "add" because it is pertinent to your question of developing SP.
don't focus on the title of "borderline starter" or "future starter"... focus on the questions i listed at end of previous post: these questions are "why" they are listed as they are. they are the exact metrics used for these labels. they answer your questions about the label given - borderline, starter, releiver etc.
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do they have three or more pitches? is the potential for that third pitch at least approaching average and the other pitches are decent quality too? do they have enough stamina? is the third pitch developing or remaining extremely low on scale even 3-4 years later? if it's not budging over time, it becomes more and more likely to be an RP.
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replace "is the third pitch" with "are all the pitches"
also, add "and can never be an sp at that point" to the end of last sentence.
if "stats only" it merely delays learning these things. you need a suitable sample size proving the change in ratings that you cannot see. various stats relate to each rating and are easily used to accurately predict the unseen ratings of the player. ratings will tell you everythign you need to know about their current ability and the potential in future and whether they can be an SP or not.
figuring out if tehy have 3 suitable pitches with "Stats-Only" will not be clear until AAA or even MLB useage. if they underperform, but look good otherwise it is probably a 2-pitch guy with a crap third pitch who should be a reliever. consistently crappy in later innings is also a bad omen for this. *with ratings, just look at ratings.. KISS principle.
no, you can't "make" any pitcher an SP by doing anything specific. they must develope into one. if no potential in teh above requirements noted, it simply won't happen.. if they have potential there's a % chance they don't develope into one, even so.
forcing a 1 or 2-pitch guy as a starter will only cause poor results at upper level MiL and MLB levels. if they don't have "potential" for a third pitch, it cannot happen without TCR luck.
if tehy have potential for that third pitch, but it remains extremely low into their mid-to-late 20's, it will never* be an SP, either. (*tcr or outliers in luck etc, not somethign to bank on nor hope for)
Last edited by NoOne; 03-12-2018 at 04:25 PM.
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