OOTP Developments Forums - View Single Post - How deep IS the detail in this game? Young pitchers, pitch counts, and inactivity.

One Post Wonder · 03-10-2018, 05:18 PM

Oh, I agree completely with what you're saying about pitch counts here. There is no arguing the math and common sense. In terms of value per pitch, pitching a tried SP is destructive and pointless.

But when I talk about realism, I'm talking about the long-term real life effects of pitch counts. So take one of your 300 ip starters. Now in real life, if that's a 22 year old and you're throwing him 300 ip per season, it's almost a guarantee that he's going to be average at best by age 30. In OOTP, that type of long-term fatigue doesn't seem to apply. The odds are still good that a young phenom will drop off, but that's more because of random talent influences and injury effects than innings pitched.

Also with the 80% vs 100%... the problem is that even with pitch counts, the AI considers 80% rested to be 'ready to go'. So an SP with pitch counts might be at 80% in 3 days instead of 4, and the AI will start him then. He's still at 80%, just a day earlier. What I want is for the AI to wait that extra day until he's at 98 or 100%, so I'm getting the best out of him. But the AI as far as I can see won't do that. So the only way I can avoid that is turn off, "Start Highest Rested".

I used to like to get large amounts of IP for my SP so that they'd put up gaudy counting stats and win awards, but now I'm the type that would rather get 230 truly optimal innings out of a pitcher than 300 good, but not the best he can do innings, if you know what I mean.

IMO the AI sim strategy hasn't kept up with the improvements to the game engine itself. There should be ways that I, or an AI manager can say, "Try not to use an SP until he's 100% unless it's the playoffs or we're in a really tight race in late September". I should be able to say, "Try not to start a groundball pitcher in the Astrodome", or with offense be able to say, "When this guy is playing left field and they bring in a lefthander, sub him out and put his platoon partner there."

I'm going to start playing 7 day lineups I think... it's the only way I'm going to be really satisfied with the way the rotation is used. I suspect that at the end of the season I'll be leading the league in ERA, even though I'm playing in Wrigley Field for 81 games a year.

03-10-2018, 05:18 PM	#8
One Post Wonder All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 538	Oh, I agree completely with what you're saying about pitch counts here. There is no arguing the math and common sense. In terms of value per pitch, pitching a tried SP is destructive and pointless. But when I talk about realism, I'm talking about the long-term real life effects of pitch counts. So take one of your 300 ip starters. Now in real life, if that's a 22 year old and you're throwing him 300 ip per season, it's almost a guarantee that he's going to be average at best by age 30. In OOTP, that type of long-term fatigue doesn't seem to apply. The odds are still good that a young phenom will drop off, but that's more because of random talent influences and injury effects than innings pitched. Also with the 80% vs 100%... the problem is that even with pitch counts, the AI considers 80% rested to be 'ready to go'. So an SP with pitch counts might be at 80% in 3 days instead of 4, and the AI will start him then. He's still at 80%, just a day earlier. What I want is for the AI to wait that extra day until he's at 98 or 100%, so I'm getting the best out of him. But the AI as far as I can see won't do that. So the only way I can avoid that is turn off, "Start Highest Rested". I used to like to get large amounts of IP for my SP so that they'd put up gaudy counting stats and win awards, but now I'm the type that would rather get 230 truly optimal innings out of a pitcher than 300 good, but not the best he can do innings, if you know what I mean. IMO the AI sim strategy hasn't kept up with the improvements to the game engine itself. There should be ways that I, or an AI manager can say, "Try not to use an SP until he's 100% unless it's the playoffs or we're in a really tight race in late September". I should be able to say, "Try not to start a groundball pitcher in the Astrodome", or with offense be able to say, "When this guy is playing left field and they bring in a lefthander, sub him out and put his platoon partner there." I'm going to start playing 7 day lineups I think... it's the only way I'm going to be really satisfied with the way the rotation is used. I suspect that at the end of the season I'll be leading the league in ERA, even though I'm playing in Wrigley Field for 81 games a year.