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Originally Posted by NoOne
the 7% thing we are on same page. i'm deducting or adding in my head to compare apples to apples. doesn't matter which way you normalize it.
edit- not necessarily. remove singles and the one guy clearly has a tone more XBH, which rake in runners at a much higher % in more situations than singles do and espeically walks (ops includes them). the iso of one guy is much higher.
one guy is an ultimate leadoff guy on a deep team or a 3-4 guy on a weaker team... the slugger is a true slugger 3-4-5 depending on team / opinions etc and a total waste leading off.
this is a toss-up for all intents and purposes. i'm not beating a horse about it, just answering
edit 2 - that's because of what slugging is. it includes things in improper weights. it says a double is 2x a single and a triple is 3x a single etc.. based on nothign but a whim. it's not accurate, even though it does correlate.
iso power is still bad, but better sign of true power. i can't seen the image, but it's like a .060-.090 spread on iso power if i recall my glancing look and lackluster math.
one guy is an ideal raker (with stealing ability, woot) and teh other is a good raker and an ideal leadoff hitting style. when it's a push i go for the true raker. they get paid more for a reason.
my edit: it's ~.050 power iso spread in favor of the guy on right, in spite of their slugging pcts
also i switched to ops->slugging on your edit2, my bad, but similar things would be said. walks are not bringing in runs. few can rake 150+ rbi, many can score 120+runs, especially with a 56hr guy behind you in the order. a clod could do it. (not recommending that, of course)
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SLG is exactly accurate for what it is trying to do. That is to determine the percentage you get when you divide total bases by AB. I have no idea what you mean by "on a whim" etc. As far as your RBI argument goes, I have no idea whta you are talking about. Neither of those guys are leadoff hitters. They both belong somewhere between 2nd and 4th. I just don't see how a guy can hit .400, have a much larger OPS than the other guy, be the one that played on a playoff team and somehow it is still close.