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Originally Posted by ThePretender
To be honest with you, it's much better than the alternative where in previous versions I could sign any pre-arb player to a 1.5M per year deal for 8-10 years, or an arb player for 5M for 5-7 years.
One thing you have to keep in mind is a player typically has 2-3 arbitration years left after they've been awarded an arb contract, and after that they are a FA. So you have to pay based on that expectation.
So for a RP offered 2.5M extension (arb 2), and you add 250K (arb 3), that's not a good deal for the player who will likely get 3-5M the following season for arb 2 and somewhere in that neighbourhood in arb 3. Then in FA, they could get 6-10M, if not more.
So theoretically, the player could expect to get 3 M and 3.5M in arbitration, followed by 3 years of FA (let's say 7M for easy math). So after a 5 year period a RP could be expected to get 27.5M. Your offer was basically half of what the RP could expect.
So if you're offering 2.5M with 250K escalation, he should deny it - though I wouldn't argue the issue is the length of the deal, rather than you're not offering enough to make it worthwhile.
I know your issue is the player is asking for more money, but I don't see an issue with that either. I'd wait until the following year for arb and make another contract offer then.
It's better than it's been in past versions, I'll say that.
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I don't disagree with anything you said above (except about the
automatic escalation from an arb1 to arb2/3 - especially on RPs)... And if he doesn't like the contract, then by all means, turn it down... BUT:
a) going from 2M 1-year to 3M 1-year isn't negotiation. I wanted 6 years - so let's have a counter-offer reflecting that... That's how negotiation works. Let's say you go to buy a car, and the sticker price is 20,000 - if you go to the sales guy, "I have three kids, if I got 3 cars at the same time, let's say $19000 each? The sales guy doesn't come back and say "No, and now the price for the first car is $30,000". I get that a player is an escalating asset, but if their negotiating mood is "Great", then escalating a demand by 50%, while giving NOTHING back is just crazy.
b) As I stated above, all I want is information. IF I want to offer this term WHAT does the player likely want? Another life example:
If you wanked into your bosses office, and said "I want a raise"
the reply would likely be "Ok, let's talk about it"...
"I want a raise".
"Well, how much"
"A raise"
"What more are you going to do for this raise"
"Give the raise, and we'll see"
"And how much of a raise do you want"
"A raise, but now I want double the raise because you haven't figured it out yet"
"... you're fired."
I don't think that either of these points are unreasonable?