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mitchkenn · 12-20-2016, 08:31 AM

all the above, except i tried it with financials enabled.... it simply doesn't work. (And it shouldn't have, but i wanted to see anyway ...) The players can refuse arbitration in the off season - and go to free agency, where they linger in limbo until the year they would have either been traded to another team or retire. Hornsby stayed in FA for 6 year after he refused arbitration with Stl., until the 1926 when he was "traded" to Giants. Ruth never got out of FA purgatory. Same with Ty Cobb (both were rated 5 stars all the time in FA.) Eddie Collins was there from 1919 until 1926, when he signed with the Phi A's. (IRL that's when he went to the A's.)

i also tried it with a rookie draft .... that worked on the surface - teams picked players and they went to reserve rosters or minor league teams, but when the years the player belonged to a ML club, he was "granted" FA. This happened specifically with Lou Gehrig. Went to Cubs out of draft (he couldn't have gone to Hartford of Eastern League in the game, as the Eastern League wasn't in the game in 1921. In 1923, he starts the preseason on the Cubs roster, only to be on the Yankees by opening day. What i believe is happening is the draft just gets players into the game as Minor Leaguers, and then when they historically join the majors, it puts them on the correct teams. So, basically, the draft doesn't work - and it really shouldn't with historical transaction turned on. All my test did is sort of verify that.

thehef did most of the testing. i tinkered with financials and amateur draft from 1917-1927. What did work was the players going to and from reserve rosters or minor league teams as teams historically received and lost minor league affiliates, at least the ones during the years i sim/tested. i didn't have any teams losing players when they lost affiliates - they went to reserve rosters... but my sim era was only 10 years.

so playing as thehef did, it seems to work well. Tinkering with financials and the am. draft throws it off kilter, as least in my tests. So just a heads up.

12-20-2016, 08:31 AM	#2
mitchkenn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Oregon, not by design Posts: 2,872	all the above, except i tried it with financials enabled.... it simply doesn't work. (And it shouldn't have, but i wanted to see anyway ...) The players can refuse arbitration in the off season - and go to free agency, where they linger in limbo until the year they would have either been traded to another team or retire. Hornsby stayed in FA for 6 year after he refused arbitration with Stl., until the 1926 when he was "traded" to Giants. Ruth never got out of FA purgatory. Same with Ty Cobb (both were rated 5 stars all the time in FA.) Eddie Collins was there from 1919 until 1926, when he signed with the Phi A's. (IRL that's when he went to the A's.) i also tried it with a rookie draft .... that worked on the surface - teams picked players and they went to reserve rosters or minor league teams, but when the years the player belonged to a ML club, he was "granted" FA. This happened specifically with Lou Gehrig. Went to Cubs out of draft (he couldn't have gone to Hartford of Eastern League in the game, as the Eastern League wasn't in the game in 1921. In 1923, he starts the preseason on the Cubs roster, only to be on the Yankees by opening day. What i believe is happening is the draft just gets players into the game as Minor Leaguers, and then when they historically join the majors, it puts them on the correct teams. So, basically, the draft doesn't work - and it really shouldn't with historical transaction turned on. All my test did is sort of verify that. thehef did most of the testing. i tinkered with financials and amateur draft from 1917-1927. What did work was the players going to and from reserve rosters or minor league teams as teams historically received and lost minor league affiliates, at least the ones during the years i sim/tested. i didn't have any teams losing players when they lost affiliates - they went to reserve rosters... but my sim era was only 10 years. so playing as thehef did, it seems to work well. Tinkering with financials and the am. draft throws it off kilter, as least in my tests. So just a heads up. __________________ "This is my opening farewell " - Jackson Browne “They make a desolation and call it peace.” ― Agha Shahid Ali "Maybe she just has to sing, for the sake of the song - And who do I think that I am to decide that she's wrong." - Townes Van Zandt "I saw a young man leaning on his wooden crutch - He called out to me, 'Don't ask for so much' And a young woman leaning in her darkened door She cried out to me, 'Why not ask for more?' " - Leonard Cohen "Hello darkness, my old Friend ...." - Paul Simon Before Mays, before DiMaggio, there was Oscar Charleston. "All the lies about Babe Ruth are true." - Waite Hoyt Avatar is the late great Townes Van Zandt. rip. Last edited by mitchkenn; 12-20-2016 at 11:56 AM. Reason: typos