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Old 11-02-2015, 02:02 PM   #68
RonCo
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Originally Posted by NoOne View Post
realistic numbers is irrelevant... each to their own on that.

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dumbed down version of logical fallacies: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/
And, thanks for including the handy-dandy dumbed-down chart of logical fallacies. It's been awhile since I've seen someone do that. But since I'm kind of dumb, it was a good refresher.

It was also helpful and fun to review this chart, because with it I can say that since your goal (the only variable that influences stats should be player ratings) is not the only valid goal that people can have, you are committing a well-intentioned "special pleading."

It helps me categorize your insistence that any viewpoint other than yours is "illogical" as essentially a "loaded question." And since you don't seem to accept that, for others, the goal of merely getting stats that feel right is proper and acceptable (that often people don't care that 90 Power vs. 90 Movement is consistent over the seasons), your arguments fit into the category of a "burden of proof" fallacy.

In addition, I can use it to suggest that your adherence to the purety of the idea that league totals should never change (while great and wonderful for you, and not a problem at all) has a hint of the "no true Scotsman" fallacy.

At the end of the day, there is no reason to make anyone feel they are playing the game wrong as long as they are getting what they want out of it. The OOTP universe, is not a world in which there is only one right way. As such, advocating for your view as the only "logical" approach is a very clear "black and white" fallacy.

That said, you can certainly use this note itself to accuse me of a "tuquoque" fallacy, though I think that's stretching it a little. You can probably attempt to say I'm creating a Strawman fallacy of your position, but I think the general outsider would disagree with that assessment (I _am_ me, though, so what else would I think, eh?). You could even say that my insistence that it's "logical" that people have goals that are well met by adjusting the league totals every year is a "special pleading" of my own (though again, I believe most unbiased bystanders would think otherwise ... shrug).

Regardless, I do always find it interesting to see how people view such discussions, applying the chart to these discussions have been fun for me, if nothing else. So, thanks!

I do think that if we were sitting in a pub and chatting about this in person, we would have a great time jotting great notes on the back of wet napkins and would agree about almost everything we're discussing here by the end of the first pint.
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