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voxpoptart · 08-01-2015, 12:04 AM

Lukasberger: this post is about too-frequently watching young, successful major league batters get worse and worse, sometimes falling out of the major leagues for good. This is a thing that *occasionally* happens in the real major leagues, but -- as I've documented at length earlier in this thread -- can be much rarer, depending *how* young the player is, than "successful young major leaguer turns into Hall of Fame level superstar".

This is about actual declines. (Remember, my star ratings are in fact 80% based on stats.) This is also about players in their late 20s whose ratings and performance rarely decline very far at all.

* Of the hitters who started my OOTP league in their late 20s, and were drafted in the first seven rounds, all are basically as good as when they started, four years later, with only two exceptions (CF Carmo Faquinha went from backup All-Star to part-time player, SS Glen Guerin has gone from very-good to average regular).

* Of the younger players drafted in the first seven rounds, I've already discussed the significant declines that started happening to 2B Alberto Quetzalcoatl, CF Himmi Nguvumali, LF Hoshi Nagata, and LF Tom Collins. There were also LFs Hyeon-uk Park and Nathan Gallagher (both of whom began at 23, and started large declines at respectively 25 and 24). And RF Mark Murray (All-Star in year one at 22, platoon mediocrity since).

Not even mentioning smaller cases. I'm more aware of, but much shyer about fixing, players on my team. My own 10th-round pick, RF Shawn Dempsey, was my cleanup hitter at 24; he was in AAA at 26, and I didn't even begin to rescue his ratings until after I'd traded him. I had a platoon outfielder, Jules Scallini, who was worth a WAR at 21; he was on the bench at AA by 23. I had a major-league utility player, Blair Delzoppo, who wasn't especially good at 22, but wasn't awful; his Contact had dropped to 6 (out of 20) by the end of the next year, and his results matched.

That didn't happen to my late-20s players. It didn't happen to anyone's. That's messed up.

08-01-2015, 12:04 AM	#18
voxpoptart Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 387	Lukasberger: this post is about too-frequently watching young, successful major league batters get worse and worse, sometimes falling out of the major leagues for good. This is a thing that occasionally happens in the real major leagues, but -- as I've documented at length earlier in this thread -- can be much rarer, depending how young the player is, than "successful young major leaguer turns into Hall of Fame level superstar". This is about actual declines. (Remember, my star ratings are in fact 80% based on stats.) This is also about players in their late 20s whose ratings and performance rarely decline very far at all. * Of the hitters who started my OOTP league in their late 20s, and were drafted in the first seven rounds, all are basically as good as when they started, four years later, with only two exceptions (CF Carmo Faquinha went from backup All-Star to part-time player, SS Glen Guerin has gone from very-good to average regular). * Of the younger players drafted in the first seven rounds, I've already discussed the significant declines that started happening to 2B Alberto Quetzalcoatl, CF Himmi Nguvumali, LF Hoshi Nagata, and LF Tom Collins. There were also LFs Hyeon-uk Park and Nathan Gallagher (both of whom began at 23, and started large declines at respectively 25 and 24). And RF Mark Murray (All-Star in year one at 22, platoon mediocrity since). Not even mentioning smaller cases. I'm more aware of, but much shyer about fixing, players on my team. My own 10th-round pick, RF Shawn Dempsey, was my cleanup hitter at 24; he was in AAA at 26, and I didn't even begin to rescue his ratings until after I'd traded him. I had a platoon outfielder, Jules Scallini, who was worth a WAR at 21; he was on the bench at AA by 23. I had a major-league utility player, Blair Delzoppo, who wasn't especially good at 22, but wasn't awful; his Contact had dropped to 6 (out of 20) by the end of the next year, and his results matched. That didn't happen to my late-20s players. It didn't happen to anyone's. That's messed up. Last edited by voxpoptart; 08-01-2015 at 12:10 AM.